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Post by busman on Sept 18, 2019 10:40:32 GMT
My point about the 180 change is that will there really be a demand for NG from Abbey Wood/Belvedere once CrossRail opens? CrossRail will be much quicker to Canary Wharf and the West End, if this had been proposed twenty years ago when NG first opened and there was no DLR at Woolwich, and CrossRail was still years off then I would agree with it. The 180 is honestly a godsend along the Woolwich-Greenwich corridor, as it can get busy and the 177 & 180 do well to manage the overcrowding. One suggestion could be that extend the 129 to Lewisham and still keep the 180 as far as Greenwich Cutty Sark but re-route it to Deptford or even Surrey Quays There will be demand from Abbey Wood and Plumstead as the O2 is a destination in its own right. Plus the additional stops serving more of the retail area in Charlton will imho make the 180 diversion very popular. Daytime extras between Plumstead and Greenwich/Deptford Bridge could solve any overcrowding (if any) on the 177.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 18, 2019 12:04:50 GMT
My point about the 180 change is that will there really be a demand for NG from Abbey Wood/Belvedere once CrossRail opens? CrossRail will be much quicker to Canary Wharf and the West End, if this had been proposed twenty years ago when NG first opened and there was no DLR at Woolwich, and CrossRail was still years off then I would agree with it. The 180 is honestly a godsend along the Woolwich-Greenwich corridor, as it can get busy and the 177 & 180 do well to manage the overcrowding. One suggestion could be that extend the 129 to Lewisham and still keep the 180 as far as Greenwich Cutty Sark but re-route it to Deptford or even Surrey Quays There will be demand from Abbey Wood and Plumstead as the O2 is a destination in its own right. Plus the additional stops serving more of the retail area in Charlton will imho make the 180 diversion very popular. Daytime extras between Plumstead and Greenwich/Deptford Bridge could solve any overcrowding (if any) on the 177. Crossrail will not significantly reduce demand for North Greenwich station for those people who want to have a cheaper journey to Central London. If I have the time, I often use the 422 for this purpose, and will use the 180 similarly, if it is hopefully changed as proposed.
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 18, 2019 12:31:48 GMT
Would the 1 really manage to cope with such a lengthy extension? I don’t think so. The City Hall stand is vacant so could be used if you wanted to take this new route a little further west, but that’s something I don’t want to do, as I feel my proposed route is already paralleling the 188 for quite a way. The City Hall stand has fallen subject to the roadworks going on at Tower Bridge, so is out of action for the time being and probably won't return given how much bus priority means to the son of a bus driver heading up City Hall. My point about the 180 change is that will there really be a demand for NG from Abbey Wood/Belvedere once CrossRail opens? CrossRail will be much quicker to Canary Wharf and the West End, if this had been proposed twenty years ago when NG first opened and there was no DLR at Woolwich, and CrossRail was still years off then I would agree with it. The 180 is honestly a godsend along the Woolwich-Greenwich corridor, as it can get busy and the 177 & 180 do well to manage the overcrowding. One suggestion could be that extend the 129 to Lewisham and still keep the 180 as far as Greenwich Cutty Sark but re-route it to Deptford or even Surrey Quays There will be demand from Abbey Wood and Plumstead as the O2 is a destination in its own right. Plus the additional stops serving more of the retail area in Charlton will imho make the 180 diversion very popular. Daytime extras between Plumstead and Greenwich/Deptford Bridge could solve any overcrowding (if any) on the 177. Wow, you haven't been through Greenwich town centre on a Sunday in a while, have you?! It's south-east London's equivalent of Camden Town with the swelling of tourists it sees on weekends. There's already overcrowding particularly on the 177 as passengers make use of New Cross as a leisurely destination (galleries, pubs etc.) so one would argue the 177 shorts are needed now before the 180 is pulled out of Greenwich.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 12:40:58 GMT
Would the 1 really manage to cope with such a lengthy extension? I don’t think so. The City Hall stand is vacant so could be used if you wanted to take this new route a little further west, but that’s something I don’t want to do, as I feel my proposed route is already paralleling the 188 for quite a way. The City Hall stand has fallen subject to the roadworks going on at Tower Bridge, so is out of action for the time being and probably won't return given how much bus priority means to the son of a bus driver heading up City Hall. There will be demand from Abbey Wood and Plumstead as the O2 is a destination in its own right. Plus the additional stops serving more of the retail area in Charlton will imho make the 180 diversion very popular. Daytime extras between Plumstead and Greenwich/Deptford Bridge could solve any overcrowding (if any) on the 177. Wow, you haven't been through Greenwich town centre on a Sunday in a while, have you?! It's south-east London's equivalent of Camden Town with the swelling of tourists it sees on weekends. There's already overcrowding particularly on the 177 as passengers make use of New Cross as a leisurely destination (galleries, pubs etc.) so one would argue the 177 shorts are needed now before the 180 is pulled out of Greenwich. Yes indeed. The 286's cut to x20 mins certainly hasn't helped. Can't really understand why the 180 has a 15 min frequency on a Sunday at the moment. Could do with at least x12.
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Post by route53 on Sept 18, 2019 12:55:39 GMT
Would the 1 really manage to cope with such a lengthy extension? I don’t think so. The City Hall stand is vacant so could be used if you wanted to take this new route a little further west, but that’s something I don’t want to do, as I feel my proposed route is already paralleling the 188 for quite a way. The City Hall stand has fallen subject to the roadworks going on at Tower Bridge, so is out of action for the time being and probably won't return given how much bus priority means to the son of a bus driver heading up City Hall. There will be demand from Abbey Wood and Plumstead as the O2 is a destination in its own right. Plus the additional stops serving more of the retail area in Charlton will imho make the 180 diversion very popular. Daytime extras between Plumstead and Greenwich/Deptford Bridge could solve any overcrowding (if any) on the 177. Wow, you haven't been through Greenwich town centre on a Sunday in a while, have you?! It's south-east London's equivalent of Camden Town with the swelling of tourists it sees on weekends. There's already overcrowding particularly on the 177 as passengers make use of New Cross as a leisurely destination (galleries, pubs etc.) so one would argue the 177 shorts are needed now before the 180 is pulled out of Greenwich. Excellent points Greenwich/New Cross is basically the Camden and Shoreditch of SE London, to divert any buses away from such a hub would be pointless. I guess I’m in the minority that thinks the 180 changes aren’t necessary and should remain as it is, I think the 469 should be restructured to fit in with the changes, have that run from Erith Quarry instead.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 18, 2019 19:16:22 GMT
The City Hall stand has fallen subject to the roadworks going on at Tower Bridge, so is out of action for the time being and probably won't return given how much bus priority means to the son of a bus driver heading up City Hall. Wow, you haven't been through Greenwich town centre on a Sunday in a while, have you?! It's south-east London's equivalent of Camden Town with the swelling of tourists it sees on weekends. There's already overcrowding particularly on the 177 as passengers make use of New Cross as a leisurely destination (galleries, pubs etc.) so one would argue the 177 shorts are needed now before the 180 is pulled out of Greenwich. Yes indeed. The 286's cut to x20 mins certainly hasn't helped. Can't really understand why the 180 has a 15 min frequency on a Sunday at the moment. Could do with at least x12. Indeed, last time I was down there, saw a WS on the 286 absolutely packed, with several people left behind. I was on a packed 188 leaving Greenwich that same day, I must say the 188 could do with a frequency increase, particularly on Sundays. I love the 188, but having the window seat at the front of a Mk2 G3 (because someone else has sat next to you) ruins the views.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 18, 2019 19:39:04 GMT
I have to say between Greenwich/Canada water/Rotherhithe Tunnel and Tower Bridge Road/waterloo the 1/47/188/199/381 all seem to be rather duplicating each other all with solo sections but I can see TFL possibly reviewing them all. Maybe the 381 cut to C Water with maybe the 188 taking the direct route to Waterloo or the 1 and 188 merging. Not sure but looking at other schemes (13/48) I can imagine something maybe being changed by TFL.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 18, 2019 19:45:08 GMT
I have to say between Canada water/Rotherhithe Tunnel and Tower Bridge Road the 1/47/188/199/381 all seem to be rather duplicating each other all with solo sections but I can see TFL possibly reviewing them all. Maybe the 381 cut to C Water with maybe the 188 taking the direct route to Waterloo or the 1 and 188 merging. Not sure but looking at other schemes (13/48) I can imagine something maybe being changed by TFL. The issue with rerouting the 188 directly to Waterloo is that the route would lose a lot of patronage as Elephant is such a popular hub along that outer which I dare haphazard a guess at suggesting accounts for at least forty percent of the route’s patronage. However, in all honesty I do see the 381 being cut due to rationalisation, but I wouldn’t like the 188 to be the one rerouted between Tower Bridge Road and Waterloo because the 188 would heavily duplicate the Jubilee Line if that were the case.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 18, 2019 19:55:50 GMT
Yes indeed. The 286's cut to x20 mins certainly hasn't helped. Can't really understand why the 180 has a 15 min frequency on a Sunday at the moment. Could do with at least x12. Indeed, last time I was down there, saw a WS on the 286 absolutely packed, with several people left behind. I was on a packed 188 leaving Greenwich that same day, I must say the 188 could do with a frequency increase, particularly on Sundays. I love the 188, but having the window seat at the front of a Mk2 G3 (because someone else has sat next to you) ruins the views. The 286 could do with regular double decks - if the R11 takes over the Queen Mary’s Hospital loop then there’s nothing to stop it going double deck. The rogue d/d on the route can’t go round the loop. If the 161 and 286 also get a frequency boost, along with extras on the 177 between Plumstead Garage and New Cross Gate M-F peaks and a small Sunday frequency boost, this would go some way to mitigating the 180 loss. On another note, if the 469 does get it’s New Road diversion, the B11 really should be diverted away. I’d take it via Bostall Hill, Basildon Road, McLeod Road to current line of route. New Road will really struggle with three routes.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 18, 2019 20:02:25 GMT
I have to say between Canada water/Rotherhithe Tunnel and Tower Bridge Road the 1/47/188/199/381 all seem to be rather duplicating each other all with solo sections but I can see TFL possibly reviewing them all. Maybe the 381 cut to C Water with maybe the 188 taking the direct route to Waterloo or the 1 and 188 merging. Not sure but looking at other schemes (13/48) I can imagine something maybe being changed by TFL. The issue with rerouting the 188 directly to Waterloo is that the route would lose a lot of patronage as Elephant is such a popular hub along that outer which I dare haphazard a guess at suggesting accounts for at least forty percent of the route’s patronage. However, in all honesty I do see the 381 being cut due to rationalisation, but I wouldn’t like the 188 to be the one rerouted between Tower Bridge Road and Waterloo because the 188 would heavily duplicate the Jubilee Line if that were the case. Could the 47 maybe divert to Waterloo at LB and hopper fare the rest to Shoreditch and the 381 cut to Bermondsey station like the 225 used to.
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Post by cl54 on Oct 27, 2019 16:03:57 GMT
The 386 was excluded from the consultation.
Certainly at the Woolwich end the number of people using the route seems to be increasing with steady loads throughout the day.
An earlier first bus between Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Woolwich would be desirable.
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Post by LVF_Admin on Oct 27, 2019 19:00:43 GMT
The 386 was excluded from the consultation. Certainly at the Woolwich end the number of people using the route seems to be increasing with steady loads throughout the day. An earlier first bus between Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Woolwich would be desirable. The 386 is not a route you'd do end to end (Unless you are an enthusiast) as there are other routes that are quicker, having said that the route itself provides service to roads that would otherwise have a fair walk to an existing route , especially for those needing QEH as its not the cheapest or easiest place to park.
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Post by cl54 on Oct 27, 2019 20:20:17 GMT
The 386 was excluded from the consultation. Certainly at the Woolwich end the number of people using the route seems to be increasing with steady loads throughout the day. An earlier first bus between Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Woolwich would be desirable. The 386 is not a route you'd do end to end (Unless you are an enthusiast) as there are other routes that are quicker, having said that the route itself provides service to roads that would otherwise have a fair walk to an existing route , especially for those needing QEH as its not the cheapest or easiest place to park. But it is used by a lot of people travelling to Woolwich for onward connections. Strange that it was left out of the consultation. Also used by a lot of students at Shooters Hill Sixth Form College and Corelli College.
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Post by COBO on Oct 21, 2021 16:57:26 GMT
Does anyone remember what the plan was the 188 for Crossrail?
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Post by TB123 on Oct 21, 2021 17:00:38 GMT
Does anyone remember what the plan was the 188 for Crossrail? None.
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