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Post by DT 11 on May 15, 2022 17:19:48 GMT
5 buses are to be wrapped in an Elizabeth Line wrap - South East London representatives will be on the 180 & 301 Don’t take this at all the wrong way, as I know you are super trustworthy, but do you have any further link/place to go to read more? Yes there is a poster I made a post in this thread, I would have uploaded a picture of it however this is stated when attempting to upload an attachment. Unable to upload file Error: This forum has exceeded its attachment space limit. Your file cannot be uploadedI didn’t realise vjaska had posted the same in a few threads
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Post by vjaska on May 15, 2022 17:37:44 GMT
Don’t take this at all the wrong way, as I know you are super trustworthy, but do you have any further link/place to go to read more? Yes there is a poster I made a post in this thread, I would have uploaded a picture of it however this is stated when attempting to upload an attachment. Unable to upload file Error: This forum has exceeded its attachment space limit. Your file cannot be uploadedI didn’t realise vjaska had posted the same in a few threads No problem, as long as people see mine or yours, that’s the main thing 👍
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Post by beaver14uk on May 15, 2022 20:59:06 GMT
Yes I have resolved the tree issue. The 286 should be double decked, always rammed even in off peak, though isn’t there an issue with low trees around the QM Hospital area or has this been sorted? Yes I think the tree problem at QM Hospital has been resolved.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 18, 2022 8:19:18 GMT
Quick observation while on evening rush hour 180 from North Greenwich to Woolwich yesterday.
161s/180s/472s all loading to capacity. A few people not sure where the 180 went at NG, but that’s understandable. 129 also looked very popular.
Passed three westbound 177s on the way. None particularly full, one turning short at New Cross. Might be that the 177 is enough between Woolwich and Greenwich, but of course this is just a tiny snapshot, time will tell if this was a good decision or not.
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Post by greenboy on May 18, 2022 8:36:52 GMT
Quick observation while on evening rush hour 180 from North Greenwich to Woolwich yesterday. 161s/180s/472s all loading to capacity. A few people not sure where the 180 went at NG, but that’s understandable. 129 also looked very popular. Passed three westbound 177s on the way. None particularly full, one turning short at New Cross. Might be that the 177 is enough between Woolwich and Greenwich, but of course this is just a tiny snapshot, time will tell if this was a good decision or not. I was in Greenwich yesterday afternoon and loadings on the 177 looked much the same as they were before the 180 change.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 18, 2022 8:46:44 GMT
Quick observation while on evening rush hour 180 from North Greenwich to Woolwich yesterday. 161s/180s/472s all loading to capacity. A few people not sure where the 180 went at NG, but that’s understandable. 129 also looked very popular. Passed three westbound 177s on the way. None particularly full, one turning short at New Cross. Might be that the 177 is enough between Woolwich and Greenwich, but of course this is just a tiny snapshot, time will tell if this was a good decision or not. In fairness to TFL when it comes to capacity they do get it right. I'm not saying what they do will encourage growth but I don't think Chiswick High Road, Camden to Oxford Circus, Dalston to Shoreditch etc have ever left people behind because there haven't been enough buses per hour along those stretches.
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Post by cl54 on May 18, 2022 11:24:58 GMT
Quick observation while on evening rush hour 180 from North Greenwich to Woolwich yesterday. 161s/180s/472s all loading to capacity. A few people not sure where the 180 went at NG, but that’s understandable. 129 also looked very popular. Passed three westbound 177s on the way. None particularly full, one turning short at New Cross. Might be that the 177 is enough between Woolwich and Greenwich, but of course this is just a tiny snapshot, time will tell if this was a good decision or not. In fairness to TFL when it comes to capacity they do get it right. I'm not saying what they do will encourage growth but I don't think Chiswick High Road, Camden to Oxford Circus, Dalston to Shoreditch etc have ever left people behind because there haven't been enough buses per hour along those stretches. Much the same as I witnessed yesterday. There is the option of changing from the 161/180/472 to the 108 at Ikea for Lewisham as an alternative to the 129.
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Post by busman on May 18, 2022 11:49:26 GMT
Quick observation while on evening rush hour 180 from North Greenwich to Woolwich yesterday. 161s/180s/472s all loading to capacity. A few people not sure where the 180 went at NG, but that’s understandable. 129 also looked very popular. Passed three westbound 177s on the way. None particularly full, one turning short at New Cross. Might be that the 177 is enough between Woolwich and Greenwich, but of course this is just a tiny snapshot, time will tell if this was a good decision or not. Yep, all is looking good. I took a ride on the 180 yesterday daytime and observed the routes at night. The 177 seems to be coping and the 180 diversion seems to be popular. Last night around 10pm I observed an Erith-bound 180 on Hope & Anchor Lane with a 472 directly behind it. What was interesting was that they had fairly even loadings, which at that time of night indicates that passengers are shifting from the 472 to the 180. During the day when I boarded a 180 towards Erith at Woolwich Arsenal and there was interest from passengers in the destination blind. Shout out to the driver who offered the passenger a brilliant explanation of the Erith extension: “Everything is the same plus Erith”. The passengers boarded and were discussing the new journey opportunities the 180 extension would give them. Fair play TfL, they seem to have got it right with the SE Crossrail changes.
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Post by busman on May 18, 2022 11:53:10 GMT
Quick observation while on evening rush hour 180 from North Greenwich to Woolwich yesterday. 161s/180s/472s all loading to capacity. A few people not sure where the 180 went at NG, but that’s understandable. 129 also looked very popular. Passed three westbound 177s on the way. None particularly full, one turning short at New Cross. Might be that the 177 is enough between Woolwich and Greenwich, but of course this is just a tiny snapshot, time will tell if this was a good decision or not. I was in Greenwich yesterday afternoon and loadings on the 177 looked much the same as they were before the 180 change. Yep, the 129 is looking good on the Lewisham to East Greenwich stretch so far.
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Post by lazy_eye_metaphor on May 18, 2022 17:01:01 GMT
Quick observation while on evening rush hour 180 from North Greenwich to Woolwich yesterday. 161s/180s/472s all loading to capacity. A few people not sure where the 180 went at NG, but that’s understandable. 129 also looked very popular. Passed three westbound 177s on the way. None particularly full, one turning short at New Cross. Might be that the 177 is enough between Woolwich and Greenwich, but of course this is just a tiny snapshot, time will tell if this was a good decision or not. Yep, all is looking good. I took a ride on the 180 yesterday daytime and observed the routes at night. The 177 seems to be coping and the 180 diversion seems to be popular. Last night around 10pm I observed an Erith-bound 180 on Hope & Anchor Lane with a 472 directly behind it. What was interesting was that they had fairly even loadings, which at that time of night indicates that passengers are shifting from the 472 to the 180. During the day when I boarded a 180 towards Erith at Woolwich Arsenal and there was interest from passengers in the destination blind. Shout out to the driver who offered the passenger a brilliant explanation of the Erith extension: “Everything is the same plus Erith”. The passengers boarded and were discussing the new journey opportunities the 180 extension would give them. Fair play TfL, they seem to have got it right with the SE Crossrail changes. As a resident of Yarnton Way, I 100% agree. The direct links to Erith and N Greenwich are very useful.
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Post by cl54 on Jun 16, 2022 9:59:40 GMT
The 244 is carrying a lot more passengers since the opening of the Elizabeth line.
Full buses are now common at peak times.
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Post by busman on Jun 16, 2022 12:10:48 GMT
The 244 is carrying a lot more passengers since the opening of the Elizabeth line. Full buses are now common at peak times. Interesting observation. TfL did initially plan to deck the 244, but then decided not to go ahead for one reason or another. TfL did leave the door open for future review on decking the 244 and let’s face it, there are plenty of spare deckers these days that can be allocated. I imagine loadings from Shooters Hill heading down into Woolwich may have increased significantly. Similarly I’ve noticed loadings on the 301 heading from Long Lane towards Abbey Wood has increased massively. Glad that TfL went with deckers instead of their original idea to deploy “high capacity” single deckers. The 301 has really done an excellent job of inducing latent demand along the Long Lane/Brampton Road corridor, even before the Lizzie line opened. The B11 was clearly too infrequent and meandering to attract customers with other options. I often wonder if additional demand could be induced along comparable corridors in the area such as Danson Road/Penhill Road by adding a direct more frequent bus service into key hubs.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 16, 2022 13:58:15 GMT
The 244 is carrying a lot more passengers since the opening of the Elizabeth line. Full buses are now common at peak times. Interesting observation. TfL did initially plan to deck the 244, but then decided not to go ahead for one reason or another. TfL did leave the door open for future review on decking the 244 and let’s face it, there are plenty of spare deckers these days that can be allocated. I imagine loadings from Shooters Hill heading down into Woolwich may have increased significantly. Similarly I’ve noticed loadings on the 301 heading from Long Lane towards Abbey Wood has increased massively. Glad that TfL went with deckers instead of their original idea to deploy “high capacity” single deckers. The 301 has really done an excellent job of inducing latent demand along the Long Lane/Brampton Road corridor, even before the Lizzie line opened. The B11 was clearly too infrequent and meandering to attract customers with other options. I often wonder if additional demand could be induced along comparable corridors in the area such as Danson Road/Penhill Road by adding a direct more frequent bus service into key hubs. I don't think we'll see anymore double deck conversions for a long time now unless in exceptional circumstances due to the current situation - most spare deckers these days are being used to oust as many older buses as possible
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Post by cl54 on Jun 16, 2022 17:26:14 GMT
Interesting observation. TfL did initially plan to deck the 244, but then decided not to go ahead for one reason or another. TfL did leave the door open for future review on decking the 244 and let’s face it, there are plenty of spare deckers these days that can be allocated. I imagine loadings from Shooters Hill heading down into Woolwich may have increased significantly. Similarly I’ve noticed loadings on the 301 heading from Long Lane towards Abbey Wood has increased massively. Glad that TfL went with deckers instead of their original idea to deploy “high capacity” single deckers. The 301 has really done an excellent job of inducing latent demand along the Long Lane/Brampton Road corridor, even before the Lizzie line opened. The B11 was clearly too infrequent and meandering to attract customers with other options. I often wonder if additional demand could be induced along comparable corridors in the area such as Danson Road/Penhill Road by adding a direct more frequent bus service into key hubs. I don't think we'll see anymore double deck conversions for a long time now unless in exceptional circumstances due to the current situation - most spare deckers these days are being used to oust as many older buses as possible Getting people to/from the Elizabeth line in SE London is a different situation. TfL are getting fares revenue on the trains which previously has gone to main line services.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jun 16, 2022 22:20:28 GMT
How is the 177 coping so far?
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