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Mar 15, 2022 18:23:58 GMT
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 15, 2022 18:23:58 GMT
Go Coach are selling the Fastrack E400s I heard. They should sell quickly given the quality refurbishment & Euro6 upgrades. Shame...I’ll catch them while I still can ! These changes are mostly downgrades. Both A and B have frequency reductions to x12 mins, A goes to x30 mins late evening. Gravesend loses the 24/7 section, and the remaining 24/7 section is one bus on the A hourly between Greenhithe and Dartford. Traffic around here is a nightmare at the moment as well. Also from 17/4 the 477 gets withdrawn Dartford to Bluewater and all together on Sundays. I wonder if KCC are generally cutting financial support for the buses?  |
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Fastrack
Mar 15, 2022 22:23:12 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Mar 15, 2022 22:23:12 GMT
Shame...I’ll catch them while I still can ! These changes are mostly downgrades. Both A and B have frequency reductions to x12 mins, A goes to x30 mins late evening. Gravesend loses the 24/7 section, and the remaining 24/7 section is one bus on the A hourly between Greenhithe and Dartford. Traffic around here is a nightmare at the moment as well. Also from 17/4 the 477 gets withdrawn Dartford to Bluewater and all together on Sundays. I wonder if KCC are generally cutting financial support for the buses? Hopefully they don’t turn around and lecture people when inevitably they turn away from buses due to the cuts |
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 15, 2022 23:00:14 GMT
I wonder if KCC are generally cutting financial support for the buses? Hopefully they don’t turn around and lecture people when inevitably they turn away from buses due to the cuts Have to say the 477 Sunday cut is particularly brutal. Swanley to Dartford becomes a bit of a palaver on that day now. |
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Post by bus12451 on Mar 28, 2022 23:27:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 6:29:26 GMT
The revised services on A and AZ won’t work.
Some AZ trips on double decks are almost full from Ebbsfleet at 0730. The revised timetable doesn’t cater for this:
Service A will become full of Amazon workers at peak times leaving local residents behind.
A very poorly thought out idea and ruthless binning of support from KCC.
The amount of development going on in this area demands much better transport systems:
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Fastrack
Mar 31, 2022 16:28:51 GMT
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 31, 2022 16:28:51 GMT
The revised services on A and AZ won’t work. Some AZ trips on double decks are almost full from Ebbsfleet at 0730. The revised timetable doesn’t cater for this: Service A will become full of Amazon workers at peak times leaving local residents behind. A very poorly thought out idea and ruthless binning of support from KCC. The amount of development going on in this area demands much better transport systems: The thing is, KCC will have very much thought this through - it will save them money, and that’s the bottom line. Incidentally, which, if any, of the Kentish TfL routes (96, 233, 246, 428, 492, B12) have any KCC subsidy? Once upon a time I had a list... |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Apr 1, 2022 12:51:10 GMT
The revised services on A and AZ won’t work. Some AZ trips on double decks are almost full from Ebbsfleet at 0730. The revised timetable doesn’t cater for this: Service A will become full of Amazon workers at peak times leaving local residents behind. A very poorly thought out idea and ruthless binning of support from KCC. The amount of development going on in this area demands much better transport systems: The thing is, KCC will have very much thought this through - it will save them money, and that’s the bottom line. Incidentally, which, if any, of the Kentish TfL routes (96, 233, 246, 428, 492, B12) have any KCC subsidy? Once upon a time I had a list... You've omitted the R5/R10 |
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 1, 2022 13:29:03 GMT
The thing is, KCC will have very much thought this through - it will save them money, and that’s the bottom line. Incidentally, which, if any, of the Kentish TfL routes (96, 233, 246, 428, 492, B12) have any KCC subsidy? Once upon a time I had a list... You've omitted the R5/R10 I don't think Kent County Council supports any TfL routes now. They certainly wouldn't support the 96 and 428 as these have a good commercial case for TfL to run through to Dartford and Bluewater as well as a social benefit in providing a link to Darent Valley Hospital. I suspect the 233, 246, B12 and R5/R10 only operate into Kent for convenience as they only serve places just beyond the Greater London boundary. |
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Apr 7, 2022 11:23:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 11:23:22 GMT
I’ve yet to seen how the revised set up works out at shift change overs at Amazon. In hindsight Amazon is getting a much better service throughout the day now. Just remains to be seen how loadings cope.
Incidentally the A is now rerouted via William Munday Way (over a new bridge across the Darent River ) and The Burroughs. Serving two new stops en route.
A has a pvr of 6 and it looks like the B is 10 off peak.
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Post by buspete on Apr 20, 2022 20:50:14 GMT
I wonder how many people use either bus at 3am.
TFL should terminate their routes at the TFL boundary, London residents shouldn’t be subsidising KCC bus services.
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 20, 2022 20:56:52 GMT
TFL should terminate their routes at the TFL boundary, London residents shouldn’t be subsidising KCC bus services. For several reasons, this is a terrible, terrible idea. For starters, let’s take the 96, 428 and 492 as an example. They would all need terminal space in Crayford, and no doubt Arriva would want to extend a Dartford terminator, no doubt to Crayford. Where on earth would you propose parking that little lot? Also : TfL exists as a service to Londoners, not necessarily London. Down in the south west, many residents are referred to Epsom Hospital, in Surrey. At least one link there from across the London border is essential. There are I’m sure other examples north of the river. This is not the thread to discuss this (though a general ‘old London Country area’ thread might be a good idea), but your plan here is totally, totally unworkable. |
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 20, 2022 20:57:25 GMT
I wonder how many people use either bus at 3am. TFL should terminate their routes at the TFL boundary, London residents shouldn’t be subsidising KCC bus services. There is no issue with terminating buses at the next town or point of interest or interchange, especially if it makes TfL money. I doubt anyone would like to be kicked off in the middle of nowhere because of an invisible beurocratic border meaning they have to wait for a different bus just to continue to the next nearby town |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 11:32:26 GMT
I wonder how many people use either bus at 3am. TFL should terminate their routes at the TFL boundary, London residents shouldn’t be subsidising KCC bus services. What an awful idea. The world doesn’t end at an invisible borderline, there isn’t a forcefield preventing people from Crayford needing to get to Dartford for example. |
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Post by buspete on Apr 21, 2022 12:41:20 GMT
Why should I in my Bexley council tax subsidise TFL buses, where people in Dartford get the service but pay nothing.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 21, 2022 13:08:53 GMT
Why should I in my Bexley council tax subsidise TFL buses, where people in Dartford get the service but pay nothing. Because you live in Greater London, and Transport for London has a social obligation to provide you with a service. In return, those who are in a position to do so contribute towards the service via a precept on the Council Tax. TfL has no social obligation to provide services in Dartford. However it will run services from the Greater London area into the Dartford area if there is a commercial case for doing so*, or if the services provided bring social benefit to people who live in Greater London. * this could include receiving support from the local authority, which doesn't apply in this case but does for some routes operating into Surrey. |
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