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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 21, 2021 21:24:05 GMT
I think it was more to do with PR spin from the mayor why the Piccadilly line T5 was not mentioned. When that was done it did not have anywhere near the fanfare for the NLE extension opening. In my opinion the extension should have gone further to Clapham Junction which would have been more logical. The amount the investors coughed up for the extension is peanuts compared to the total price. The extension to Clapham Junction is safeguarded so hopefully it will go ahead in the future. AFAIK, the extension was fully funded privately so not where this ‘peanuts’ stuff is coming from I am sure I heard on the news yesterday that only £300 million was private and the rest of the money was TfL. I am confused
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Post by vjaska on Sept 22, 2021 0:15:16 GMT
The extension to Clapham Junction is safeguarded so hopefully it will go ahead in the future. AFAIK, the extension was fully funded privately so not where this ‘peanuts’ stuff is coming from I am sure I heard on the news yesterday that only £300 million was private and the rest of the money was TfL. I am confused Maybe I was wrong instead - anyway, TfL can recoup costs further down the line as their are stuff to go on top of Nine Elms Station so potential revenue stream should exist and Battersea Power Station is to have local independent shops inside it in due course.
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Post by uakari on Sept 22, 2021 21:34:04 GMT
So apparently the frequency on this new section is set to double from 5 to 10 trains per hour from next year. Does anyone know how that will work?
They've already decreased the service from Finchley Central to High Barnet to turn some at Mill Hill East instead, so hopefully that won't be decreased any further?
Will they be turning trains at Golders Green and reducing the service between Golders Green and Edgware? Or bringing in more trains?
It seems like other parts of the line are having to suffer to provide a service to these new stations, the benefits of which are questionable compared to many other more useful shelved projects such as the Bakerloo Line extension. Seems like a case of money talking rather than passenger benefit. Especially given the insistence on placing them in Zone 1 (for supposed cachet?).
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Post by kmkcheng on Sept 22, 2021 22:04:10 GMT
So apparently the frequency on this new section is set to double from 5 to 10 trains per hour from next year. Does anyone know how that will work? They've already decreased the service from Finchley Central to High Barnet to turn some at Mill Hill East instead, so hopefully that won't be decreased any further? Will they be turning trains at Golders Green and reducing the service between Golders Green and Edgware? Or bringing in more trains? It seems like other parts of the line are having to suffer to provide a service to these new stations, the benefits of which are questionable compared to many other more useful shelved projects such as the Bakerloo Line extension. Seems like a case of money talking rather than passenger benefit. Especially given the insistence on placing them in Zone 1 (for supposed cachet?). They will be extending some of the workings that currently terminate at Kennington
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Post by vjaska on Sept 23, 2021 0:26:25 GMT
So apparently the frequency on this new section is set to double from 5 to 10 trains per hour from next year. Does anyone know how that will work? They've already decreased the service from Finchley Central to High Barnet to turn some at Mill Hill East instead, so hopefully that won't be decreased any further? Will they be turning trains at Golders Green and reducing the service between Golders Green and Edgware? Or bringing in more trains? It seems like other parts of the line are having to suffer to provide a service to these new stations, the benefits of which are questionable compared to many other more useful shelved projects such as the Bakerloo Line extension. Seems like a case of money talking rather than passenger benefit. Especially given the insistence on placing them in Zone 1 (for supposed cachet?). I don't think the benefits of those two stations are as questionable as they might seem. Whilst one is smack bang in the development of Battersea Power Station, this also opens up the tube to less well off communities such as the Patmore Estate off Battersea Park Road and the many collections of housing and council estates around Nine Elms that will be there even when the apartments are all finished.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 23, 2021 9:24:04 GMT
I don't think the benefits of those two stations are as questionable as they might seem. Whilst one is smack bang in the development of Battersea Power Station, this also opens up the tube to less well off communities such as the Patmore Estate off Battersea Park Road and the many collections of housing and council estates around Nine Elms that will be there even when the apartments are all finished. Adding to that it benefits existing local trades such as New Covent Garden Market and Battersea Dogs and Cats Home as well as quicker travel to nearby Battersea Park. Another benefit could see some decrease of usage at busy Vauxhall Station, some punters changing from local buses to Nine Elms instead.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 23, 2021 10:13:50 GMT
So apparently the frequency on this new section is set to double from 5 to 10 trains per hour from next year. Does anyone know how that will work? They've already decreased the service from Finchley Central to High Barnet to turn some at Mill Hill East instead, so hopefully that won't be decreased any further? Will they be turning trains at Golders Green and reducing the service between Golders Green and Edgware? Or bringing in more trains? I believe spare and spreadover trains will be utilized into service for longer period instead of sitting at the depot in wait for their next respective calls. I understand that Morden depot's already had modifications for trains to have the same quality of maintenance done in less time, thus quicker returns to service.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 23, 2021 10:42:41 GMT
So apparently the frequency on this new section is set to double from 5 to 10 trains per hour from next year. Does anyone know how that will work? They've already decreased the service from Finchley Central to High Barnet to turn some at Mill Hill East instead, so hopefully that won't be decreased any further? Will they be turning trains at Golders Green and reducing the service between Golders Green and Edgware? Or bringing in more trains? It seems like other parts of the line are having to suffer to provide a service to these new stations, the benefits of which are questionable compared to many other more useful shelved projects such as the Bakerloo Line extension. Seems like a case of money talking rather than passenger benefit. Especially given the insistence on placing them in Zone 1 (for supposed cachet?). The current 5 trains an hour (6 peaks) is an interim timetable, whilst custom builds up on the new branch and also allowing for the closure of the Bank branch for seventeen weeks in the first part of 2022 in order to commission the rebuilt Northern Line platforms at Bank Station. A new Northern Line timetable will be introduced upon the completion of those works in May. Tower Transit will operate a temporary rail replacement route 733 between Oval and Moorgate during the closure, the vehicles and drivers will then transfer to the new 135 contract. A limited train service will operate north of Moorgate.
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