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Post by mkay315 on Jul 29, 2021 6:57:15 GMT
If and when the Camden upgrade is finished they will split the line. It will be High Barnet via Bank and Edgware via Charing Cross I'm not sure if there will be many changes when the extension is open. Thank for that. Do we know when the Camden redevelopment will be delivered please? At the moment it's unconfirmed.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 1, 2021 8:27:03 GMT
I wonder when the new extension gets up and running and the Bank station works are completed whether you have the Northern Line run from High Barnet/Mill Hill East to Morden as it does 95% of the time now. Then the Edgware to Battersea which will become a new named line? The Northern Line must be confusing for tourists. I remember having my work cut out having to explain how, although Kings Cross St Pancras and Waterloo are both served by the Northern Line, this is still not a direct journey.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 5, 2021 14:57:50 GMT
WTT58: Battersea trains every 12min off-peak via Charing Cross; pattern= Barnet/ Mill Hill/ Barnet/ Barnet/ Barnet each-hour. 15min service from Mill Hill; alternating Morden via Bank; Battersea via Charing Cross; Morden via Bank; Kennington via Charing Cross each hour. still 15tph off-peak Charing Cross trains will use Kennington loop
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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 5, 2021 15:14:35 GMT
WTT58: Battersea trains every 12min off-peak via Charing Cross; pattern= Barnet/ Mill Hill/ Barnet/ Barnet/ Barnet each-hour. 15min service from Mill Hill; alternating Morden via Bank; Battersea via Charing Cross; Morden via Bank; Kennington via Charing Cross each hour. still 15tph off-peak Charing Cross trains will use Kennington loop Does that mean next year when the frequency is doubled on the Battersea branch, it will still only be served by the High Barnet branch because otherwise alternating with the Edgware branch would create an uneven service towards Battersea?
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 5, 2021 15:46:53 GMT
WTT58: Battersea trains every 12min off-peak via Charing Cross; pattern= Barnet/ Mill Hill/ Barnet/ Barnet/ Barnet each-hour. 15min service from Mill Hill; alternating Morden via Bank; Battersea via Charing Cross; Morden via Bank; Kennington via Charing Cross each hour. still 15tph off-peak Charing Cross trains will use Kennington loop Does that mean next year when the frequency is doubled on the Battersea branch, it will still only be served by the High Barnet branch because otherwise alternating with the Edgware branch would create an uneven service towards Battersea? I think there really is a need to split the Northern line into two, which would include giving even intervals on all sections. In theory, this could happen without any work at Camden Town, simply by swapping the termini of trains and rebranding the line name(s). Any work at Camden would probably be primarily to ease congestion for passengers interchanging between the two lines, and to allow a more frequent service on each section. Though frequency can not change much until additional trains are available. In the shorter term, it's really just a matter of whether the current station at Camden Town could cope with more passengers changing trains and moving between platforms.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 5, 2021 15:58:46 GMT
Does that mean next year when the frequency is doubled on the Battersea branch, it will still only be served by the High Barnet branch because otherwise alternating with the Edgware branch would create an uneven service towards Battersea? I think there really is a need to split the Northern line into two, which would include giving even intervals on all sections. In theory, this could happen without any work at Camden Town, simply by swapping the termini of trains and rebranding the line name(s). Any work at Camden would probably be primarily to ease congestion for passengers interchanging between the two lines, and to allow a more frequent service on each section. Though frequency can not change much until additional trains are available. In the shorter term, it's really just a matter of whether the current station at Camden Town could cope with more passengers changing trains and moving between platforms. The current Camden Town station wouldn't cope which is why the idea of splitting the line has never been seriously considered in the past. Obviously it would be better from an operational perspective and should allow for a more reliable service but I don't think many regular users will be in favour of it.
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Post by redbus on Aug 5, 2021 18:26:17 GMT
I think there really is a need to split the Northern line into two, which would include giving even intervals on all sections. In theory, this could happen without any work at Camden Town, simply by swapping the termini of trains and rebranding the line name(s). Any work at Camden would probably be primarily to ease congestion for passengers interchanging between the two lines, and to allow a more frequent service on each section. Though frequency can not change much until additional trains are available. In the shorter term, it's really just a matter of whether the current station at Camden Town could cope with more passengers changing trains and moving between platforms. The current Camden Town station wouldn't cope which is why the idea of splitting the line has never been seriously considered in the past. Obviously it would be better from an operational perspective and should allow for a more reliable service but I don't think many regular users will be in favour of it. And there is the point, who is the line run for, passengers, TfL, enthusiasts? As matters stand if the line were split so many passengers would be forced to change triaas at Camden Town that the station could not handle the numbers. That is before we look at the question of convenience for passengers who will be none too impressed giving up their nice seat, taking their bag to another platform waiting and then standing on another train! In return for that inconvenience what will passengers receive from splitting the line? Improved reliability, possibly, but probably not that noticeable. More frequent trains in peak hours (won't help outside of peak), yes, but let's see how busy the line will be in the post Covid world. If passenger number remain subdued then arguably any frequency increase in the peaks won't compensate for the inconvenience of changing trains. I think the jury is out on this one.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 5, 2021 23:27:33 GMT
I think there really is a need to split the Northern line into two, which would include giving even intervals on all sections. In theory, this could happen without any work at Camden Town, simply by swapping the termini of trains and rebranding the line name(s). Any work at Camden would probably be primarily to ease congestion for passengers interchanging between the two lines, and to allow a more frequent service on each section. Though frequency can not change much until additional trains are available. In the shorter term, it's really just a matter of whether the current station at Camden Town could cope with more passengers changing trains and moving between platforms. The current Camden Town station wouldn't cope which is why the idea of splitting the line has never been seriously considered in the past. Obviously it would be better from an operational perspective and should allow for a more reliable service but I don't think many regular users will be in favour of it. Perhaps an upgrade at Camden Town will be needed anyway when the Northern Line eventually increases in frequency (and additional trains made available). At which point, I could see a split looked into. I can see how regular users might not be in favour, particularly passengers from the Barnet branch travelling to the West End. However, this would make the line a lot easier to use for irregular users (including tourists), as well as making the service more reliable due to the separation. Services on each section could also be made more frequent by removing the crossover at Camden Town, easing congestion at busy times.
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Post by ajw on Aug 8, 2021 10:54:51 GMT
A split of the line could also make it better for regular users too, provided of course there is convenient interchange with the other branch.
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Post by Busboy105 on Aug 13, 2021 9:11:44 GMT
What do you mean by that
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Post by M1104 on Aug 13, 2021 9:13:55 GMT
Looks like a certain department's made a hiccup.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 13, 2021 9:25:13 GMT
Looks like certain department's made a hiccup. Good grief...... I wouldn't have believed that if I hadn't seen the photo!
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Post by Busboy105 on Aug 13, 2021 11:55:15 GMT
So the extension's supposed to be a shuttle?
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 13, 2021 12:11:03 GMT
So the extension's supposed to be a shuttle? Only early mornings and late evenings - during the day trains will run through to and from the Charing Cross Branch. In the interim timetable the trains will run to and from High Barnet or Mill Hill East. Just a thought - maybe it's shown as a shuttle on the map at Golders Green as there won't be a through service from Edgware Branch stations (not initially anyway).
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 13, 2021 12:30:49 GMT
Just a thought - maybe it's shown as a shuttle on the map at Golders Green as there won't be a through service from Edgware Branch stations (not initially anyway). After those first two morning trains from Battersea to Kennington NB then loop, these same trains form two Battersea to Edgware services.
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