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Post by snowman on Oct 2, 2017 15:09:40 GMT
New consultation consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-125-303-305/125 proposal is extension from Finchley to Colindale station (and other route changes) 303 and 305 are to be merged into new 303 various other route changes proposed to follow by 2020 as infrastructure added |
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Post by Nathan on Oct 2, 2017 15:23:42 GMT
Wouldn't an extension of the 125 to Colindale, Asda be more useful?
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Oct 2, 2017 15:40:19 GMT
Finally! Nearly worried it had been shelved, thankfully not  Looks 303/305 will be tendered as one next then (303). EDIT: Although what's with the phrasing on the site, won't the new route run between Kingsbury Circle and Colindale ASDA via Edgware? Why does it say Edgware - Kingsbury Circle and Colindale ASDA, what is going on?? I approve of the extension though. A fan of the 125, and it'll be an even more useful 'across' route soon |
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Post by VWH1414 on Oct 2, 2017 16:16:31 GMT
Well this has screwed me up, thanks alot London Transport!
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Oct 2, 2017 16:26:06 GMT
Well this has screwed me up, thanks alot London Transport! Why? Don't see too many negative changes over here, other than stuff that could affect reliability |
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Post by VWH1414 on Oct 2, 2017 16:29:09 GMT
Well this has screwed me up, thanks alot London Transport! Why? Don't see too many negative changes over here, other than stuff that could affect reliability With the 303 they have cut out half of Deansbrook Road and I don't think that'll make people happy as well as me as now I have to go further away just to get to Edgware |
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Oct 2, 2017 17:13:26 GMT
100% Supported
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Post by kmkcheng on Oct 2, 2017 17:13:57 GMT
Finally! Nearly worried it had been shelved, thankfully not Looks 303/305 will be tendered as one next then (303). EDIT: Although what's with the phrasing on the site, won't the new route run between Kingsbury Circle and Colindale ASDA via Edgware? Why does it say Edgware - Kingsbury Circle and Colindale ASDA, what is going on?? I approve of the extension though. A fan of the 125, and it'll be an even more useful 'across' route soon The merged 303 will run between Edgware & Kingsbury Circle via Mill Hill and Colindale. It’s basically the old 303 but with a diversion via Deans Lane and Hale Lane instead of eastern portion of Deansbrook Lane and extension from Colindale ASDA to Kingsbury through a redesigned width restriction on Capitol Way onto Stag Lane then via existing 305 routing towards Kingsbury |
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Post by kmkcheng on Oct 2, 2017 17:15:23 GMT
Why? Don't see too many negative changes over here, other than stuff that could affect reliability With the 303 they have cut out half of Deansbrook Road and I don't think that'll make people happy as well as me as now I have to go further away just to get to Edgware Tfl will just say ‘Hopper fare’ |
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Post by VWH1414 on Oct 2, 2017 19:38:39 GMT
Well the 125 I am in support of, but the changes to the 303 regarding Deansbrook is going to anger people, just like I am, as a regular user this route, and this is going to make things annoying for me and is going to cut off a good link, just to be rerouted through a road which often sees less patronage, I live here and have to deal with the route, so trust me some of this is not a good idea, no matter what some people think (Not the Kingsbury extension as that is a good idea though)
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Oct 2, 2017 21:06:21 GMT
Wait, I think I now understand and I'm concerned.
Couldn't they have just connected 303 and 305 at Edgware rather than stitch them up like a Frankenstein??
I thought the seemless glue-up was the original plan?
Why can't they just do that??
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Post by kmkcheng on Oct 2, 2017 21:16:11 GMT
Wait, I think I now understand and I'm concerned. Couldn't they have just connected 303 and 305 at Edgware rather than stitch them up like a Frankenstein?? I thought they seemless glue-up was the original plan? Why can't they just do that?? If they did that, you end up with a long, weird-looking figure 8 route with a tail. Might as well keep it two separate routes then |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 2, 2017 21:23:04 GMT
Why the heck have TfL embedded the maps in scrollable format on this consultation. Normally you can link, open and expand them to readable size. Sheesh.   When I've struggled my way through all this detail I'll provide some incoherent thoughts.  EDIT - right had a look now. Overall still as unimpressed with these ideas as I was when I read the Network Development Paper. The 125 idea is a sound one but clearly being partly resourced by making the service worse for existing users. So much for "resources diverted to Outer London"! The 303/305 stuff is an utter mess. A lot of journey times get longer for no good reason. People on part of the 305's route lose direct, fast links to Edgware. The new bus gate at Colindale ASDA is a good idea but faffing around with the 305 to make use of it is poor. While I understand the reasons for wishing to concentrate resources at Graham Park on the new bus link I do think it's at too high a cost in terms of broken links, longer walk times to access services and a generally less coherent network. The real way to "fix" the multiple issues at Colindale would be to put in a completely new route that covered the new links / areas and / or added something overall to the local network. Clearly TfL do not have the resources to achieve that so what we have is a net reduction of capacity and links in the network to try to patch something together. Note there is no technical paper with this consultation to show the assumptions about demand levels and benefits / disbenefits from the scheme. I suspect it's all rather marginal given the broken links / longer journey times / longer access times for existing bus users. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 2, 2017 22:25:50 GMT
Non local here but from my own view, I'm not too keen on these proposals at all. The 125 isn't a bad idea but reliability would concern me - the main road through Finchley Central & North Finchley is regularly filled with traffic and then throw in a suspected short signal phase at the junction with Watford Way and it could turn it from a decent operating route into a more difficult route to control.
The 303 & 305 merging though is my biggest gripe - why merge them? Why make the 303 & 305 even more winding then they currently are and even more baffling is why does part of Hale Lane require an extra bus route when it already has the 221 & 240?
Personally, I'd extend the 288 from Queensbury via Beverley Drive, Stag Lane, Capitol Way (through the bus lane gate proposed), Colindale ASDA, Edgware Road, Colindale Avenue, Colindale Station and then via the proposed 125 extension to Finchley Central. This is a much shorter route which mainly just has to worry about Edgware and provides links between Queensbury & Colindale.
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Post by VWH1414 on Feb 23, 2018 17:23:10 GMT
Seeing as these awful plans are going ahead, I thought of a way to keep the really important and very busy Deansbrook links.
Why not reroute the 240 to follow the old 303 route from Mill Hill? It won't change much as the 221 (and 303 will soon) serve Hale Lane so that section will still be covered and it will mean that people can have a straight forward journey.
I still think this plan is bad considering the amount of people that use the 303 to get from Edgware to Deansbrook, considering how packed it gets and it empties out around Deansbrook, as thats where a majority of people seem to go from Edgware (My findings as a common user of the route)
I can see TFL actually losing money on this considering that the 303 gets a lot of patronage (Especially in rush hour) from the Deansbrook section, this new and definately not improved version of the route has kind of become pointless now from Mill Hill to Edgware
But back to my point about the 240, its tender is a few months away, so I guess I'll have to wait and see on if it does get rerouted, if it doesn't there will be a lot of angry people, as I know people have already complained about the 303/305 plans
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