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Post by 87blakescorner on Oct 27, 2017 7:38:43 GMT
What are the "concerns raised by councillors from the London Borough of Havering about historic infrastructure on Wennington Road" as mentioned in the consultation? Also, is there anywhere along the 372 (which I'm not familiar with) where a sufficient journey time saving could be found to make a diversion in the other direction possible - a minor bit of bus priority perhaps? The councillor concerns are twofold 1)The pavement is quite narrow at the present Lakeside bound stop,and during the evening rush can have 20+ people waiting,this compleatly blocks passage for other pedestrians and impacts on 2)The rear of the stop is bounded by the garden wall of the nearby N.T. property and is thus a listed structure.Many people leaning kicking their heels against the wall over many years has brought it's structural safety to the limit and is in need of specialist (and expensive) rebuilding and I would think most locals would be glad that once done it might last a few hundred years like the present wall.
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Post by john on Oct 27, 2017 14:43:33 GMT
What are the "concerns raised by councillors from the London Borough of Havering about historic infrastructure on Wennington Road" as mentioned in the consultation? Also, is there anywhere along the 372 (which I'm not familiar with) where a sufficient journey time saving could be found to make a diversion in the other direction possible - a minor bit of bus priority perhaps? Time saving??? The route needs more time!!! The rumours in the garage were that it was going in both directions, so this is odd to me. However....its something we agree with. Also whoever it was who mentioned stopping arrangements....the first stop towards Cherry Tree Lane for the 165/287 is Rainham War Memorial, much closer that Upminster Road South and Tesco. Historical infrastructure....possibly Rainham Hall. The wall next to the bus stop has been having repair work done so could be all down to that also
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 28, 2017 15:37:21 GMT
Personally, it seems they've taken the half hearted approach as what's the issue with re-routing it towards Chase Cross? The sign that greets you when entering the town should read Rainham: TfL's Half Hearted Attempt. Customers from Rainham station have a 450 metre walk to Tesco for eastbound connections on the 165/287, or 800 metres for the first stop on Upminster Road South. Considering TfL's target of passengers not having to walk more than 400 meters, the bus arrangements in Rainham town centre is even more disappointing. But adding 2 minutes onto the running time of a northbounud 372 via a double run at Rainham station is too expensive. The benefits of better bus connections far outwieghs the extra time on the schedule, but that's just me. Also, is there anywhere along the 372 (which I'm not familiar with) where a sufficient journey time saving could be found to make a diversion in the other direction possible - a minor bit of bus priority perhaps? Time saving??? The route needs more time!!! The rumours in the garage were that it was going in both directions, so this is odd to me. However....its something we agree with. Also whoever it was who mentioned stopping arrangements....the first stop towards Cherry Tree Lane for the 165/287 is Rainham War Memorial, much closer that Upminster Road South and Tesco. Historical infrastructure....possibly Rainham Hall. The wall next to the bus stop has been having repair work done so could be all down to that also If you took time to read my post john, you'd realise I was talking about services to Abbey Wood Lane. The only reason I mention it is because, as aforementioned in my first post on this thread; is the end-to-end I did on the 103 before it left RM. I refused to alight for Rainham Station at Tesco so got off at the next stop and was a big mistake. Next you'll tell me T180-193 is originally for the 368 contract because T169-179 is branded for the 150 so it can't be originally contracted for the 368.....oh wait #SpeedReadingKills
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Post by john on Oct 29, 2017 9:56:38 GMT
The sign that greets you when entering the town should read Rainham: TfL's Half Hearted Attempt. Customers from Rainham station have a 450 metre walk to Tesco for eastbound connections on the 165/287, or 800 metres for the first stop on Upminster Road South. Considering TfL's target of passengers not having to walk more than 400 meters, the bus arrangements in Rainham town centre is even more disappointing. But adding 2 minutes onto the running time of a northbounud 372 via a double run at Rainham station is too expensive. The benefits of better bus connections far outwieghs the extra time on the schedule, but that's just me. Time saving??? The route needs more time!!! The rumours in the garage were that it was going in both directions, so this is odd to me. However....its something we agree with. Also whoever it was who mentioned stopping arrangements....the first stop towards Cherry Tree Lane for the 165/287 is Rainham War Memorial, much closer that Upminster Road South and Tesco. Historical infrastructure....possibly Rainham Hall. The wall next to the bus stop has been having repair work done so could be all down to that also If you took time to read my post john, you'd realise I was talking about services to Abbey Wood Lane. The only reason I mention it is because, as aforementioned in my first post on this thread; is the end-to-end I did on the 103 before it left RM. I refused to alight for Rainham Station at Tesco so got off at the next stop and was a big mistake. Next you'll tell me T180-193 is originally for the 368 contract because T169-179 is branded for the 150 so it can't be originally contracted for the 368.....oh wait #SpeedReadingKills Think you'll find I read your post after doing a late turn at RM. Do, before jumping on the "I'll make you feel stupid for your post" bandwagon, it may be an idea to put the appropriate facts into your posts so you don't try to make someone look I'll informed. Secondly, if you're not happy at getting off at Tesco, why didn't you check for a connection to a 372, it's what most of us Rainham drivers do when we miss or taxis and decide to walk back to the garage (which is only 10 minutes from Tesco via the Interchange). Thirdly I used to be on the 287 rota and in no way would I ever recommend getting off at Rainham Village School. It can take 5 minutes just to get past the parked cars on some occasions. As for the T's @ DX if you read my reply properly for that I think you'll find there was a suitable reply that showed how I recognised my mistake and didn't realise there were that many 60-reg T's there. Now if you would like me to continue with this discussion and make it as personal as you are directing it, please PM me and it will continue in thay fashion. If you wish to continue talking about the issues around Rainham and the 372, of which I was working yesterday, then let us do so. Do not mistake a lack of intellect or knowledge for someone who has just make a tiny error.
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 29, 2017 15:08:20 GMT
If you took time to read my post john , you'd realise I was talking about services to Abbey Wood Lane. The only reason I mention it is because, as aforementioned in my first post on this thread; is the end-to-end I did on the 103 before it left RM. I refused to alight for Rainham Station at Tesco so got off at the next stop and was a big mistake. Next you'll tell me T180-193 is originally for the 368 contract because T169-179 is branded for the 150 so it can't be originally contracted for the 368.....oh wait #SpeedReadingKills Think you'll find I read your post after doing a late turn at RM. Do, before jumping on the "I'll make you feel stupid for your post" bandwagon, it may be an idea to put the appropriate facts into your posts so you don't try to make someone look I'll informed. Secondly, if you're not happy at getting off at Tesco, why didn't you check for a connection to a 372, it's what most of us Rainham drivers do when we miss or taxis and decide to walk back to the garage (which is only 10 minutes from Tesco via the Interchange). Thirdly I used to be on the 287 rota and in no way would I ever recommend getting off at Rainham Village School. It can take 5 minutes just to get past the parked cars on some occasions. As for the T's @ DX if you read my reply properly for that I think you'll find there was a suitable reply that showed how I recognised my mistake and didn't realise there were that many 60-reg T's there. Now if you would like me to continue with this discussion and make it as personal as you are directing it, please PM me and it will continue in thay fashion. If you wish to continue talking about the issues around Rainham and the 372, of which I was working yesterday, then let us do so. Do not mistake a lack of intellect or knowledge for someone who has just make a tiny error. There's no bandwagon for me to jump on; if I felt I have not been properly listened to then I will make my voice heard. It was the second incident in a short space of time that you didn't fully understand my posts, so you can hopefully understand why I mentioned something. I'm not stupid nor accusing you to be. So long as you stop reading my posts after your late duties then we will have no problems! The point I'm making is that though Rainham is a very small town with the infrastructure to match, the road layout before was more encompassing of bus interchange at the war memorial to Rainham Station and it was a heck of a lot easier. Now I suspect the layout mainly changed to ease congestion, but from Tesco to RNM if you aren't able-bodied then you're gonna find the walk a challenge. If we were to take it one further, the 287 and 165 could serve the Interchange as well; but that's just wishful thinking in a perfect world. TfL definately wouldn't allow the 287 into Rainham Interchange. The duplication of the train line from Rainham to Barking would be far too beneficial for passengers if they decide to take a bus after missing one of the 2tph running at the station.
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Post by john on Oct 30, 2017 10:20:50 GMT
Think you'll find I read your post after doing a late turn at RM. Do, before jumping on the "I'll make you feel stupid for your post" bandwagon, it may be an idea to put the appropriate facts into your posts so you don't try to make someone look I'll informed. Secondly, if you're not happy at getting off at Tesco, why didn't you check for a connection to a 372, it's what most of us Rainham drivers do when we miss or taxis and decide to walk back to the garage (which is only 10 minutes from Tesco via the Interchange). Thirdly I used to be on the 287 rota and in no way would I ever recommend getting off at Rainham Village School. It can take 5 minutes just to get past the parked cars on some occasions. As for the T's @ DX if you read my reply properly for that I think you'll find there was a suitable reply that showed how I recognised my mistake and didn't realise there were that many 60-reg T's there. Now if you would like me to continue with this discussion and make it as personal as you are directing it, please PM me and it will continue in thay fashion. If you wish to continue talking about the issues around Rainham and the 372, of which I was working yesterday, then let us do so. Do not mistake a lack of intellect or knowledge for someone who has just make a tiny error. There's no bandwagon for me to jump on; if I felt I have not been properly listened to then I will make my voice heard. It was the second incident in a short space of time that you didn't fully understand my posts, so you can hopefully understand why I mentioned something. I'm not stupid nor accusing you to be. So long as you stop reading my posts after your late duties then we will have no problems! The point I'm making is that though Rainham is a very small town with the infrastructure to match, the road layout before was more encompassing of bus interchange at the war memorial to Rainham Station and it was a heck of a lot easier. Now I suspect the layout mainly changed to ease congestion, but from Tesco to RNM if you aren't able-bodied then you're gonna find the walk a challenge. If we were to take it one further, the 287 and 165 could serve the Interchange as well; but that's just wishful thinking in a perfect world. TfL definately wouldn't allow the 287 into Rainham Interchange. The duplication of the train line from Rainham to Barking would be far too beneficial for passengers if they decide to take a bus after missing one of the 2tph running at the station. If changes were made to Lambs Lane South then I'd be all for that. Could easily turn left at the top onto New Road and then right onto Upminster Road North and back to LOR. Problem is the amount of people you'd miss out along Upminster Road South. Also miss alot of idiots parking and driving like morons.... I accept your apology.....😁😁😁 I'm trying to teach my own kids how it's not what you say, but how you say that can cause problems, might show them this as an example 😁😁😁 the joys of being a late driver...haha. In all honesty I think Rainham is never going to be 100% perfect and it is an issue. Personally, I think the best solution would be to run the 103 into Tesco. Always wondered why it doesn't and would sort all these issues out in one hit. Just would maybe mean re-working the bus stop layout AND certainly no more driver changeovers there either.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 6, 2017 22:12:00 GMT
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Post by john on Nov 7, 2017 0:01:22 GMT
Should at least use the correct terminology, it's called a bus stand....
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 7, 2017 4:08:06 GMT
Should at least use the correct terminology, it's called a bus stand.... More to the point; has the bus stand at Rainham been relocated?
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Post by john on Nov 7, 2017 8:45:47 GMT
Should at least use the correct terminology, it's called a bus stand.... More to the point; has the bus stand at Rainham been relocated? No it's the stand in Hornchurch on Appleton Way. Buses go to the stand in the same direction but will go towards Lakeside coming from Station Lane rather than Billets Lane. Currently busea are supposed to enter Appleton Way from Station lane, sit on stand, then exit via where the new Lidls is being built on Hornchurch Road. That's gonna save about 2 minutes in running time, hence the run via the Interchange towards Lakeside. The stand changes have gone down very well with drivers, not sure about the re routing in Rainham, although that should only cost 1 minute
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Post by snowman on May 20, 2018 5:17:31 GMT
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