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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 18:55:21 GMT
With other consultations being pushed through 112/withdrawn 611 and now the 384 I wouldn't be surprised to suddenly see the Oxford Street Ammendments pushed through with the 94 and 113 squeezed into the current Marble Arch stands and the 159 back to Oxo due to their new financial constraints. The 94 I think will stay as it is
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 24, 2020 20:58:44 GMT
Yes I think so to but I think the 113 and 159 sill swap soon especially in conjunction with the proposed N109.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 10:40:33 GMT
Yes I think so to but I think the 113 and 159 sill swap soon especially in conjunction with the proposed N109. I can also see the night service of the 159 being withdrawn if the N109 extension to Marble Arch goes ahead
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Post by danorak on Oct 13, 2020 23:54:43 GMT
Obviously Covid will have had an impact but what's the latest on the future of Oxford Street? Are we expecting any bold ideas in the Mayoral manifesto or is this all just being quietly forgotten as a commitment the Mayor couldn't deliver for various reasons?
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 14, 2020 22:03:34 GMT
So far its remained open. Possibly later in the year there will be the usual closure on a saturday for shopping. I still wouldn't be surprised if the old consultation results were not dug up with the planned changes to the 94, 113 and 159 going ahead. As we have already thought the 159 could easily be cut for stand space for the 414.
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Post by greg on Oct 17, 2020 8:33:30 GMT
So far its remained open. Possibly later in the year there will be the usual closure on a saturday for shopping. I still wouldn't be surprised if the old consultation results were not dug up with the planned changes to the 94, 113 and 159 going ahead. As we have already thought the 159 could easily be cut for stand space for the 414. Not the 94, but 113 and 159 yes. The 94 is a key link to Marble Arch and removing both wouldn’t work. The 113 definitely as because of those extra added walking spaces on Oxford Street the 113’s alighting point is now Selfridges and then non-stop to the stand at St John Princes Street as you dont stop at John Lewis or Margaret Street now. Its useless the 113 might aswell be curtailed to Portman Square for the time being.
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Post by ian on Oct 17, 2020 12:38:47 GMT
What do you mean 'it's useless'? The 113 is not 'useless' if you use it to/from oxford Circus or beyond and we know from the 2009 changes that 2,100 people per day use it for commuting in normal times at least. Oxford Circus is a much better terminus from the NW if you are intending to reach or travel from (say) Soho, Regents Street, Centrepoint etc. And Marble Arch as a start point to head NW at night is more-or-less hopeless. So, please, not so fast with this absurd approach to just slashing these incredibly long-standing and important journeys and links.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 17, 2020 13:00:47 GMT
What do you mean 'it's useless'? The 113 is not 'useless' if you use it to/from oxford Circus or beyond and we know from the 2009 changes that 2,100 people per day use it for commuting in normal times at least. Oxford Circus is a much better terminus from the NW if you are intending to reach or travel from (say) Soho, Regents Street, Centrepoint etc. And Marble Arch as a start point to head NW at night is more-or-less hopeless. So, please, not so fast with this absurd approach to just slashing these incredibly long-standing and important journeys and links. From observations the 113 would be the least evil to cut, its very lightly used along Oxford street
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Post by ian on Oct 17, 2020 14:25:48 GMT
We don't need observations since the data was produced for the 2009 version of this when 2100 (from memory) journeys were broken. Since then we have had a night service added. Who says anything needs cutting back to Portman Sq? That would mean both the 13 and 113 (and both night services thereof) would have been removed from serving Oxford St and beyond (inc Picc Circus and T Sq) ... that must be a very large number of links and individual journeys broken.
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Post by greg on Oct 17, 2020 19:45:12 GMT
What do you mean 'it's useless'? The 113 is not 'useless' if you use it to/from oxford Circus or beyond and we know from the 2009 changes that 2,100 people per day use it for commuting in normal times at least. Oxford Circus is a much better terminus from the NW if you are intending to reach or travel from (say) Soho, Regents Street, Centrepoint etc. And Marble Arch as a start point to head NW at night is more-or-less hopeless. So, please, not so fast with this absurd approach to just slashing these incredibly long-standing and important journeys and links. I only meant as temporary so sorry if this wasn’t worded correctly. Due to Covid as Eastlondoner62 has said, the 113 is very lightly used as of current times, and furthermore the 113 just suffers from horrific traffic along Oxford Street because of the widened footpaths, and also because of the widened footpaths all of the 113’s bus stops are closed so its alighting point is at Selfridges which is Portman Square. After Selfridges, 113 is non-stop to the stand at St John Princes Street and everyone gets lost there because it isn’t really ideal for tourists. 5pm last week, was on the 113 and there was only one person and me on board to Oxford Circus from Baker Street. The 139 is adequate in recent times. Can’t say anything about the N113. The 113 barely has more than 5 minutes at the stand because it has to be on time for passengers waiting at Selfridges and has to get through Oxford Street which again has no stops so the first pickup is at Selfridges.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 17, 2020 20:59:07 GMT
What do you mean 'it's useless'? The 113 is not 'useless' if you use it to/from oxford Circus or beyond and we know from the 2009 changes that 2,100 people per day use it for commuting in normal times at least. Oxford Circus is a much better terminus from the NW if you are intending to reach or travel from (say) Soho, Regents Street, Centrepoint etc. And Marble Arch as a start point to head NW at night is more-or-less hopeless. So, please, not so fast with this absurd approach to just slashing these incredibly long-standing and important journeys and links. I only meant as temporary so sorry if this wasn’t worded correctly. Due to Covid as Eastlondoner62 has said, the 113 is very lightly used as of current times, and furthermore the 113 just suffers from horrific traffic along Oxford Street because of the widened footpaths, and also because of the widened footpaths all of the 113’s bus stops are closed so its alighting point is at Selfridges which is Portman Square. After Selfridges, 113 is non-stop to the stand at St John Princes Street and everyone gets lost there because it isn’t really ideal for tourists. 5pm last week, was on the 113 and there was only one person and me on board to Oxford Circus from Baker Street. The 139 is adequate in recent times. Can’t say anything about the N113. The 113 barely has more than 5 minutes at the stand because it has to be on time for passengers waiting at Selfridges and has to get through Oxford Street which again has no stops so the first pickup is at Selfridges. The 113 could always be rerouted via Wigmore Street
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Post by vjaska on Oct 17, 2020 22:52:13 GMT
I only meant as temporary so sorry if this wasn’t worded correctly. Due to Covid as Eastlondoner62 has said, the 113 is very lightly used as of current times, and furthermore the 113 just suffers from horrific traffic along Oxford Street because of the widened footpaths, and also because of the widened footpaths all of the 113’s bus stops are closed so its alighting point is at Selfridges which is Portman Square. After Selfridges, 113 is non-stop to the stand at St John Princes Street and everyone gets lost there because it isn’t really ideal for tourists. 5pm last week, was on the 113 and there was only one person and me on board to Oxford Circus from Baker Street. The 139 is adequate in recent times. Can’t say anything about the N113. The 113 barely has more than 5 minutes at the stand because it has to be on time for passengers waiting at Selfridges and has to get through Oxford Street which again has no stops so the first pickup is at Selfridges. The 113 could always be rerouted via Wigmore Street The residents will likely block any re-routing along Wigmore Street - I believe they were against that routing during the Oxford Street consultation?
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 17, 2020 23:03:41 GMT
They were plus other streets behind Oxford Street objected to the buses and taxis that would have been displaced to their roads even thou it was only going to be two routes.
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Post by willzzz123 on Jan 4, 2021 12:42:31 GMT
The change for 23 was completely useless, diverting it Hammersmith via withdrawn route 10 was pointless. Ladbroke Grove already has 295 to go to Hammersmith
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 4, 2021 12:47:23 GMT
The change for 23 was completely useless, diverting it Hammersmith via withdrawn route 10 was pointless. Ladbroke Grove already has 295 to go to Hammersmith I think if anyone gets a 23 from Ladbroke Grove to Hammersmith then they probably need to be a bit more clued up on how London buses work. While I do agree the new 23 is a bit silly, it functions more as two separate routes which seem to have their own flows, Westbourne Park to Marble Arch and Marble Arch to Hammersmith.
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