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Post by wirewiper on Jan 4, 2021 13:03:41 GMT
The change for 23 was completely useless, diverting it Hammersmith via withdrawn route 10 was pointless. Ladbroke Grove already has 295 to go to Hammersmith Both the 9 and 23 are needed between Hyde Park Corner and Hammersmith, and the 23 maintains round-the-corner links from Marble Arch and Park Lane. There are lots of places in London that are linked by both direct and indirect routes.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 4, 2021 13:22:28 GMT
The 10/33 change was basically to save on stand space when it was thought the 7, 94 and 98 were also going to have to stand at Marble Arch.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 5, 2021 12:53:43 GMT
The change for 23 was completely useless, diverting it Hammersmith via withdrawn route 10 was pointless. Ladbroke Grove already has 295 to go to Hammersmith I think if anyone gets a 23 from Ladbroke Grove to Hammersmith then they probably need to be a bit more clued up on how London buses work. While I do agree the new 23 is a bit silly, it functions more as two separate routes which seem to have their own flows, Westbourne Park to Marble Arch and Marble Arch to Hammersmith. This is why I suggested the modified 414 and a change to Routes 23, 52, 148 & 452.
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Jan 21, 2021 2:33:14 GMT
I think if anyone gets a 23 from Ladbroke Grove to Hammersmith then they probably need to be a bit more clued up on how London buses work. While I do agree the new 23 is a bit silly, it functions more as two separate routes which seem to have their own flows, Westbourne Park to Marble Arch and Marble Arch to Hammersmith. This is why I suggested the modified 414 and a change to Routes 23, 52, 148 & 452. Personally the 52 & 148 i dont think it would be a good idea as 52 links willesden to kensington and that means all 3 buses that go to central from willesden would end up going to marble arch aswell, which isn't the most ideal.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 21, 2021 10:42:13 GMT
This is why I suggested the modified 414 and a change to Routes 23, 52, 148 & 452. Personally the 52 & 148 i dont think it would be a good idea as 52 links willesden to kensington and that means all 3 buses that go to central from willesden would end up going to marble arch aswell, which isn't the most ideal. Is Willesden to Kensington quite popular? The 52s I've been on are always busy leaving Victoria so I don't know, and its mainly about trying to stop the 148 following the 94 too much and providing too much excess capacity and the 52 to simply swap routings with it. A link between Marble Arch & Elephant and Castle might be lost however, and if the 159 was to be slashed at Oxford Circus it would lose links to St Thomas'. However, a plus side to this change could be better links between Kensington & Westfield.
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Post by cc2005 on Jan 21, 2021 10:51:43 GMT
Talking of parallel routes, now that the 110 and H91 both go from Hammersmith to Hounslow (albeit by different routeings), and the 237 covers the start of Chiswick High Road to Hounslow, and the 267 follows the 237 from Chiswick high Rd to Brentford, what's the betting that TfL will look to make changes in this area... from what I've seen, it's a very busy corridor and needs all the capacity it has, but who knows what TfL are thinking from their saving-money-point-of-view...
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Post by cc2005 on Jan 21, 2021 10:55:38 GMT
On another note... why was the 110 not left as it was (in terms of numbering), and just the H22 rerouted via the new (current) 110 route...given that the new H22 is in effect the old 110!
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Jan 21, 2021 17:46:12 GMT
Personally the 52 & 148 i dont think it would be a good idea as 52 links willesden to kensington and that means all 3 buses that go to central from willesden would end up going to marble arch aswell, which isn't the most ideal. Is Willesden to Kensington quite popular? The 52s I've been on are always busy leaving Victoria so I don't know, and its mainly about trying to stop the 148 following the 94 too much and providing too much excess capacity and the 52 to simply swap routings with it. A link between Marble Arch & Elephant and Castle might be lost however, and if the 159 was to be slashed at Oxford Circus it would lose links to St Thomas'. However, a plus side to this change could be better links between Kensington & Westfield. The 52 is a very popular bus in the area,i know the 452 was introduced almost 15 years agos, but the Willesden Kensington link is quite important especially as its hard getting tube from willesden to Kensington, whereas marble arch, the passengers will just get consumed by the 98, as most of the passengers from willesden to central gets consumed by the 98 and not the 6, because its alot more direct to central london. This would also mean that the 6 and 52 would share even more of their routes, between marble arch and hyde park corner, and they already shared a significant section before hand and one of the reasons why the 6 doesnt go on willesden high street anymore, and due to the opening of willesden sports centre as well
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Post by greg on Jan 24, 2021 0:18:48 GMT
Is Willesden to Kensington quite popular? The 52s I've been on are always busy leaving Victoria so I don't know, and its mainly about trying to stop the 148 following the 94 too much and providing too much excess capacity and the 52 to simply swap routings with it. A link between Marble Arch & Elephant and Castle might be lost however, and if the 159 was to be slashed at Oxford Circus it would lose links to St Thomas'. However, a plus side to this change could be better links between Kensington & Westfield. The 52 is a very popular bus in the area,i know the 452 was introduced almost 15 years agos, but the Willesden Kensington link is quite important especially as its hard getting tube from willesden to Kensington, whereas marble arch, the passengers will just get consumed by the 98, as most of the passengers from willesden to central gets consumed by the 98 and not the 6, because its alot more direct to central london. This would also mean that the 6 and 52 would share even more of their routes, between marble arch and hyde park corner, and they already shared a significant section before hand and one of the reasons why the 6 doesnt go on willesden high street anymore, and due to the opening of willesden sports centre as well j The 6 serves wealthier areas than the 98 which is why the 98 is busier. Not to put shade on an area, but more people in Kilburn would be likely to use the bus than people from Warwick Avenue. I always felt like the 6 should of took the Hammersmith end of the 23 as this would of boosted route 6. The 23 would of then been rerouted via Green Park and left between Liverpool Street/Aldwych and Westbourne Park.
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Jan 24, 2021 16:59:36 GMT
The 52 is a very popular bus in the area,i know the 452 was introduced almost 15 years agos, but the Willesden Kensington link is quite important especially as its hard getting tube from willesden to Kensington, whereas marble arch, the passengers will just get consumed by the 98, as most of the passengers from willesden to central gets consumed by the 98 and not the 6, because its alot more direct to central london. This would also mean that the 6 and 52 would share even more of their routes, between marble arch and hyde park corner, and they already shared a significant section before hand and one of the reasons why the 6 doesnt go on willesden high street anymore, and due to the opening of willesden sports centre as well j The 6 serves wealthier areas than the 98 which is why the 98 is busier. Not to put shade on an area, but more people in Kilburn would be likely to use the bus than people from Warwick Avenue. I always felt like the 6 should of took the Hammersmith end of the 23 as this would of boosted route 6. The 23 would of then been rerouted via Green Park and left between Liverpool Street/Aldwych and Westbourne Park. But i could just use that argument, for maida vale (98), and kilburn park (6), and kilburn has more tube links than warwick avenue, so this would not necessarily matter. I think extending the 6 to hammersmith, whilst i would personally like the willesden hammersmith link to come back, the 6 would be too unreliable and it would dulipcate the 52/452 with knightsbridge and kensington.
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Post by COBO on Mar 9, 2021 17:04:03 GMT
Do you think that the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street should be revisited.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 9, 2021 17:46:38 GMT
Do you think that the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street should be revisited. Certainly not
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Post by COBO on Mar 9, 2021 17:51:12 GMT
Do you think that the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street should be revisited. Certainly not I don’t know I think that things might have been changed by the pandemic and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Pedestrianisation of Oxford Street to be revisited to attract more people to the West End.
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Post by VMH2537 on Mar 9, 2021 18:08:16 GMT
I don’t know I think that things might have been changed by the pandemic and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Pedestrianisation of Oxford Street to be revisited to attract more people to the West End. I could personally see some politicians trying to revise it again for post covid time to tackle pollution. Realistically I cant see it happening as it would be very disastrous for traffic and accessibility for emergency vehicles, a bit similar to the LTN's.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 9, 2021 18:21:05 GMT
I don’t know I think that things might have been changed by the pandemic and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Pedestrianisation of Oxford Street to be revisited to attract more people to the West End. Pedestrianising Oxford Street will probably remove the few people that have any interest left in visiting it.
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