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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 10, 2021 15:54:38 GMT
Car usage might start to drop as more councils introduce emissions based permits. I wasn't impressed having to pay £100 (Reduced by 40% for the first year) for a parking permit last week. Newham has also made it very difficult to give out visitors permits where you have to log onto a website instead of paper tickets. I believe Meron is also about to start charging for permits. Sometimes seems easier having to use public transport Merton has charged for permits for a while now, ranges from £65 to £120 for the first car and up to an additional £210 for a third car depending on the zone. Annual visitor passes go up to £350 but you can also get daily ones for £5 again depending on the zone. It mostly affects the Wimbledon side of the borough with some roads in Mitcham and Morden town centres affected as well. £100 with a 40% discount sounds cheap compared to Merton. 😆😆 All of a sudden I feel like I should stop complaining about my £30 residents permit and my 90p a day visitors permit.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 10, 2021 16:55:44 GMT
I don't think retail parks are somewhere that'll see any switch to buses anytime soon. The retail parks of Beckton don't usually have a huge flow on their buses in comparison to cars, probably why TfL are pursuing removing the 262 and 101 over there. When presented with an option of car or bus, the car wins in this case. Shops are all spread out throughout the retail park, chances are you might be buying some bulky things and you don't want to be dragging these all around a retail park with you when you can just place it in your car boot and manage easily, you can even drive your car through the retail park as you please. Not to mention all of that free parking, Gallions Reach still prides itself on the amount of free parking that is available, and that doesn't even include the Tesco car park! The Charlton retail parks are similar, while the 472 and 486 there fare a lot better than the 101, 262 and 366 in terms of crowds, the bus crowd is still nothing compared to the far large crowd that use cars. The retail park which includes Primark and Next even has free electric charging. I don't see buses ever making a dent in Private transport when it comes to retail parks simply because retail parks in general were designed for cars and buses were more so always seen as a way of transporting staff there as opposed to transporting shoppers there. The Cambridge Road retail parks are similar, they're so big that travelling on public transport there is just cumbersome and it often makes more sense to travel through there in a car. Long term, I actually think the bus may survive running into retail parks longer than cars - with the trend to online shopping, the whole thing about lugging stuff home will largely disappear outside of supermarket shopping and buses will probably become a almost workers service to & from work or a ride to go and eat out, watch a film, etc. Not all car journeys will disappear but I do think many will providing the right steps are taken. The Peninsula retail parts in North Greenwich & Charlton do have very good bus usage despite the huge delays the area suffers traffic wise - part of me thinks this is because the two parts are literally separated by one stop whereas the various retail parts at Beckton are more further apart. Online shopping taking over everything makes an unfair playing field - we need more emphasis on small businesses on our high streets With the way TFL are going with their awful management of bus services - I could see a decrease in passengers even to busy stores such as Westfield, why would someone want to take a crammed 316 when they can take the car and there be free parking. Brent Cross has never lost demand because of the amount of services that go there even with online shopping - and people such as myself do feel guilty when I have online shopped during the pandemic as I'd much rather my money goes to a business that deserves it not one like Amazon that has had record high profits during the pandemic. If we find productive ways to upgrade our high streets rather than bow down to a mob of cyclists.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 16, 2021 9:47:26 GMT
Looks like the Oxford Street plans are going ahead.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 16, 2021 10:16:17 GMT
Looks like it will be the Oxford/Regent Street junction. Devastating potentially for buses as can only see some terminating at Regent Street, at best the 12 and maybe 159 but the 453 on long diversion? The 94 I guess would finally cut to Marble Arch and maybe the 55 to TCR.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 16, 2021 10:18:35 GMT
Looks like the Oxford Street plans are going ahead.
Good that you could still reach as far as John Princes Street in a bus from the west.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 10:22:45 GMT
Looks like it will be the Oxford/Regent Street junction. Devastating potentially for buses as can only see some terminating at Regent Street, at best the 12 and maybe 159 but the 453 on long diversion? The 94 I guess would finally cut to Marble Arch and maybe the 55 to TCR. It will only affect the western and eastern junctions so neither the 12 or 453 would be affected as traffic will still flow through Regent Street. Presumably the 159 could be cut short to Oxford Circus or be diverted via Hanover Square towards Marble Arch and Margaret Street towards Streatham.
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Post by redexpress on Jun 16, 2021 10:24:16 GMT
Looks like it will be the Oxford/Regent Street junction. Devastating potentially for buses as can only see some terminating at Regent Street, at best the 12 and maybe 159 but the 453 on long diversion? The 94 I guess would finally cut to Marble Arch and maybe the 55 to TCR. Don't see why the 453 would have to be diverted. The article makes it clear that Regent Street will remain open to through traffic, including across Oxford Circus.
Depending on how the scheme is impemented, the 12 may still be able to terminate at Oxford Circus from the south. I suspect the 159 will be cut back from Marble Arch though.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 16, 2021 10:42:41 GMT
Looks like it will be the Oxford/Regent Street junction. Devastating potentially for buses as can only see some terminating at Regent Street, at best the 12 and maybe 159 but the 453 on long diversion? The 94 I guess would finally cut to Marble Arch and maybe the 55 to TCR. It will only affect the western and eastern junctions so neither the 12 or 453 would be affected as traffic will still flow through Regent Street. Presumably the 159 could be cut short to Oxford Circus or be diverted via Hanover Square towards Marble Arch and Margaret Street towards Streatham. So its between John Princes' Street and the Crossroads. So the north to south 12, 22, 88, 453 will be fine and the 7, 113 will still be able to reach the stand same with the 55 and 73. That's not as bad as a I thought. So realistically the 94, 98, 159 and 390 are the most affected?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 10:48:39 GMT
It will only affect the western and eastern junctions so neither the 12 or 453 would be affected as traffic will still flow through Regent Street. Presumably the 159 could be cut short to Oxford Circus or be diverted via Hanover Square towards Marble Arch and Margaret Street towards Streatham. So its between John Princes' Street and the Crossroads. So the north to south 12, 22, 88, 453 will be fine and the 7, 113 will still be able to reach the stand same with the 55 and 73. That's not as bad as a I thought. So realistically the 94, 98, 159 and 390 are the most affected? Yes, also between Great Portland Street and the crossroads in the other direction so none of the cross routes are likely to be affected. It doesn’t mean that TfL won’t seek to reduce more routes in this area though, personally I could see the 12 and 22 cutback with just the 88 and 453 using the through route. They could also rejig the current 7/113 stand so they use one on Oxford Street instead.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 16, 2021 11:25:02 GMT
It was rumoured that the 12 and 453 would swap the Marylebone terminal so could be something happening that would take one out of the junction.
As with other schemes I can't see everything going on diversion so I think the 94 and 159 will no longer be running along Oxford Street.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 16, 2021 14:15:59 GMT
Looks like the Oxford Street plans are going ahead.
Good that you could still reach as far as John Princes Street in a bus from the west. I don't believe you will be able too? The pedestrian section starts there with a new entrance to Oxford Circus in the centre of the road. I assume that stand will be lost as no way for buses to leave left or right onto Oxford Street.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 16, 2021 14:30:53 GMT
Good that you could still reach as far as John Princes Street in a bus from the west. I don't believe you will be able too? The pedestrian section starts there with a new entrance to Oxford Circus in the centre of the road. I assume that stand will be lost as no way for buses to leave left or right onto Oxford Street. That could cause issues then.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 16, 2021 14:34:05 GMT
I don't believe you will be able too? The pedestrian section starts there with a new entrance to Oxford Circus in the centre of the road. I assume that stand will be lost as no way for buses to leave left or right onto Oxford Street. That could cause issues then. Just going by the artist impression on the link I posted.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 16, 2021 14:45:33 GMT
That could cause issues then. Just going by the artist impression on the link I posted. I can see that too. Whilst iv never like the stand as it cuts short of Oxford Circus, I can see the 159 maybe cutting to Regent Street to avoid all the mess and diversions.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 16, 2021 15:18:27 GMT
That could cause issues then. Just going by the artist impression on the link I posted. I don’t see that any of the images show that the access from John Princes Street onto Oxford Street will be closed. You won’t be able to turn left into Oxford Street from John Princes Street any more but could potentially still turn right. I certainly like the new station entrances, much more accessible than those crowded curving stairs from each quadrant of the circus.
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