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Post by WH241 on Apr 30, 2022 11:46:03 GMT
If Blackwall ever needs a replacement service they could double run either the D6 or D7 there. The reason I suggested route 242 was to maintain the link from Aldgate and thus a similar number of buses along Commercial Road. If you extend routes to cover withdrawn routes then the savings are not as big. I personally think Commercial Road could cope with losing one route.
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Post by greg on Apr 30, 2022 23:10:22 GMT
The reason I suggested route 242 was to maintain the link from Aldgate and thus a similar number of buses along Commercial Road. If you extend routes to cover withdrawn routes then the savings are not as big. I personally think Commercial Road could cope with losing one route. I agree
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Post by danorak on May 2, 2022 13:29:43 GMT
Funny how things turn out. Back in the early days of Crossrail bus planning, it was pretty much universally accepted that the 7 was for the chop. I even recall Leon Daniels saying it was in the firing line (if not in those exact words). Yet it has survived to be the last 'traditional' number along Oxford Street.
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Post by evergreenadam on May 2, 2022 14:12:32 GMT
Funny how things turn out. Back in the early days of Crossrail bus planning, it was pretty much universally accepted that the 7 was for the chop. I even recall Leon Daniels saying it was in the firing line (if not in those exact words). Yet it has survived to be the last 'traditional' number along Oxford Street. It had a lower PVR and frequency than other Oxford Street routes which made them more attractive targets for savings. For some reason TfL seem obsessed with hacking the Oxford Street to Aldwych corridor to almost nothing, so the 7 avoided that too.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 2, 2022 15:00:38 GMT
Funny how things turn out. Back in the early days of Crossrail bus planning, it was pretty much universally accepted that the 7 was for the chop. I even recall Leon Daniels saying it was in the firing line (if not in those exact words). Yet it has survived to be the last 'traditional' number along Oxford Street. It had a lower PVR and frequency than other Oxford Street routes which made them more attractive targets for savings. For some reason TfL seem obsessed with hacking the Oxford Street to Aldwych corridor to almost nothing, so the 7 avoided that too. I guess the 7 had a bit of a reprieve when the 23 proposal to withdrawn between Paddington and Aldwych and extend to Wembley came about as it would have lost the Portobello link to Marble Arch. Now we know the 23 is likely to remain as far as Marble Arch then the 7 could be reviewed with Crossrail linking Paddington to Bond Street or a walk to Marble Arch and the 23 and 36.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 3, 2022 17:32:31 GMT
Took the 94 today and at Oxford Circus at around 4pm and I was one of 27 people on the top deck by the it reached Marble Arch Station stop with probably similar numbers on the lower deck aswell. Thats alot of people having to walk down to Marble Arch potentially in a couple of weeks time.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 3, 2022 17:39:19 GMT
Took the 94 today and at Oxford Circus at around 4pm and I was one of 27 people on the top deck by the it reached Marble Arch Station stop with probably similar numbers on the lower deck aswell. Thats alot of people having to walk down to Marble Arch potentially in a couple of weeks time. The exact reason why it most certainly shouldn’t be cut back.
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Post by WH241 on May 3, 2022 17:41:01 GMT
Took the 94 today and at Oxford Circus at around 4pm and I was one of 27 people on the top deck by the it reached Marble Arch Station stop with probably similar numbers on the lower deck aswell. Thats alot of people having to walk down to Marble Arch potentially in a couple of weeks time. The exact reason why it most certainly shouldn’t be cut back. But that’s just a snap shot what about all the other times and days? We can’t base changes on casual observations.
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Post by Ted Barclay on May 3, 2022 17:52:17 GMT
Quite possibly, an AC allocation was reintroduced in late 1991 probably in readiness for the change. Prior to that it was all BW Monday to Saturday and WH on Sundays with OPO Titans. In particular, in 1988-91 BW ran routes 8, 25, and nothing else! Admittedly, route 8 at the time was Bow Church - Willesden Garage. Also, route 25 had 2 overlapping sections: Victoria - Ilford and Aldgate - Becontree Heath. Didn’t BW also work the S2 in 1988-91?
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Post by YX10FFN on May 3, 2022 17:58:08 GMT
The exact reason why it most certainly shouldn’t be cut back. But that’s just a snap shot what about all the other times and days? We can’t base changes on casual observations. Members, including myself, have been stating observations exactly like that ever since this whole 94 issue came up again. You can find heavy loads on the 94 going west throughout the day, especially on weekends. This evidently has nothing to do with demand, it's about saving money.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 3, 2022 18:09:53 GMT
But that’s just a snap shot what about all the other times and days? We can’t base changes on casual observations. Members, including myself, have been stating observations exactly like that ever since this whole 94 issue came up again. You can find heavy loads on the 94 going west throughout the day, especially on weekends. This evidently has nothing to do with demand, it's about saving money. Saving money a bit but I'd say the final push out the area is due to the pedestrianised piazzas at Oxford Circus.
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Post by YX10FFN on May 3, 2022 18:13:21 GMT
Members, including myself, have been stating observations exactly like that ever since this whole 94 issue came up again. You can find heavy loads on the 94 going west throughout the day, especially on weekends. This evidently has nothing to do with demand, it's about saving money. Saving money a bit but I'd say the final push out the area is due to the pedestrianised piazzas at Oxford Circus. Which don't seem to be happening in at least the next year, last I read construction was postponed. But it's a convenient excuse to keep cutting bus routes
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Post by COBO on May 3, 2022 18:20:28 GMT
So when is this partial pedestrianisation of Oxford Circus is supposed to be happening?
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Post by evergreenadam on May 3, 2022 18:40:36 GMT
But that’s just a snap shot what about all the other times and days? We can’t base changes on casual observations. Members, including myself, have been stating observations exactly like that ever since this whole 94 issue came up again. You can find heavy loads on the 94 going west throughout the day, especially on weekends. This evidently has nothing to do with demand, it's about saving money. I spent yesterday afternoon/early evening on Bank Holiday Monday in Oxford Street and was going to post an account of my observations. Busy with pedestrians but vehicle traffic was light. Routes 94 and 139 were carrying good loads on the Oxford Street to Regent Street section. Totally agree that route 94 should not be withdrawn east of Selfridges. No way that the 139 will be able to cope on its own. Route 98 also with good loads. Route 7 loads were average due to terminating at Oxford Circus, if it continued further on then that would make its operation more efficient and it could help share the burden with other routes. Route 390 was the least well loaded of the ‘through’ routes.
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Post by WH241 on May 3, 2022 19:07:16 GMT
But that’s just a snap shot what about all the other times and days? We can’t base changes on casual observations. Members, including myself, have been stating observations exactly like that ever since this whole 94 issue came up again. You can find heavy loads on the 94 going west throughout the day, especially on weekends. This evidently has nothing to do with demand, it's about saving money. That's fair enough but as way know once TfL decides something nothing will change. I think the cuts will be even more brutal once the Elizabeth line opens and capacity opens up on other tube lines as a result. I don't agree with forcing bus passengers onto more expensive trains personally and have spoken against this any times.
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