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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 25, 2018 19:36:21 GMT
So much for London not grinding to a Standstill, British Airways has just cancelled over 30 flights out of Heathrow tomorrow.
While on the Rails:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 19:52:31 GMT
BBC weather on Countryfile seems to show not much snow until Thursday!
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Post by sid on Feb 25, 2018 20:02:47 GMT
So much for London not grinding to a Standstill, British Airways has just cancelled over 30 flights out of Heathrow tomorrow. While on the Rails: I think TOC's are rather caught between a rock and a hard place. Presumably if the bad weather doesn't materialise they will continue operating normally but if it does they've covered themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 20:25:00 GMT
Some thoughts.
1. With up to 5cm on snow possibly falling from Monday late afternoon in London, there is a risk of serious disruption during evening rush hours. 2. Tuesday am rush hour is covered by an amber warning for Essex and Kent and also the eastern parts of London boroughs.
So TfL & local authorities have 48 hours of practice before what may get worse towards end of week.
Elevation is not required for this snow, due to temperatures being so low that whatever moisture falling will be snow. However with winds, those perched on hills will take a battering.
The simple point is as others have stated, infrastructure here is not equipped at all for the amount of snow predicted. It is ridiculous to say that London will not grind to a halt. The only tube line that will run ok will be the Waterloo and City Line. Thanks to 3rd rail , most of the trains will be very unreliable and operation will be risk averse with cancellations galore even if no snow on ground in places.
I hope buses will fair better, but how many bus drivers are used to snowy conditions and how reliable are these modern machines compared to relatively straight forward vehicles with engines and no computers controlling even the ignition.
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Post by paulsw2 on Feb 25, 2018 20:40:29 GMT
Some thoughts. 1. With up to 5cm on snow possibly falling from Monday late afternoon in London, there is a risk of serious disruption during evening rush hours. 2. Tuesday am rush hour is covered by an amber warning for Essex and Kent and also the eastern parts of London boroughs. So TfL & local authorities have 48 hours of practice before what may get worse towards end of week. Elevation is not required for this snow, due to temperatures being so low that whatever moisture falling will be snow. However with winds, those perched on hills will take a battering. The simple point is as others have stated, infrastructure here is not equipped at all for the amount of snow predicted. It is ridiculous to say that London will not grind to a halt. The only tube line that will run ok will be the Waterloo and City Line. Thanks to 3rd rail , most of the trains will be very unreliable and operation will be risk averse with cancellations galore even if no snow on ground in places. I hope buses will fair better, but how many bus drivers are used to snowy conditions and how reliable are these modern machines compared to relatively straight forward vehicles with engines and no computers controlling even the ignition. The underground is pretty good regarding snow as higher frequencies help to overcome ice on the juice rails admittedly the met line is more prone to problems as the geographical area it serves the vic line would be ok as apart from the depot it is all underground as for Tuesday am the underground will run snow and ice trains during the night to help alleviate problems Network rail however with lower frequencies tend to have problems with snow build up The road network if gritted in good time should also keep most arterial routes open but in the outskirts there will be problems if there is sustained blizzard conditions The main problem is that we do not get enough snow on a regular basis to warrant the massive costs of purchasing and maintaining a large fleet of snowplough and associated infrastructure
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Post by snoggle on Feb 25, 2018 21:16:02 GMT
The underground is pretty good regarding snow as higher frequencies help to overcome ice on the juice rails admittedly the met line is more prone to problems as the geographical area it serves the vic line would be ok as apart from the depot it is all underground as for Tuesday am the underground will run snow and ice trains during the night to help alleviate problems Network rail however with lower frequencies tend to have problems with snow build up The road network if gritted in good time should also keep most arterial routes open but in the outskirts there will be problems if there is sustained blizzard conditions The main problem is that we do not get enough snow on a regular basis to warrant the massive costs of purchasing and maintaining a large fleet of snowplough and associated infrastructure Not sure I agree on the open air sections of the tube. If the snow comes in thick and fast and lays quickly then the open air sections become stuck very quickly regardless of the train frequency. It will also be the first big snow test for the automatic systems on the Northern and Jubilee Lines - both lines have nasty climatic pockets in north London where railhead conditions can be nasty and unpredictable. And as for the Picc Line - it can't manage a decent frequency on a normal day at the moment so it'll be down to a train every 30 mins once the snow starts falling and we can forget about the Rayners Lane branch. That has also micro climates that cause problems for snow and ice. Provided crews can make it in then the W&C and Victoria Lines are the only two lines likely to run well. All the rest will be prone to issues if we get a lot of snow and parts of the Sub Surface network have had points and turnbacks removed in the last couple of years meaning the network is far less flexible that it was.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 25, 2018 23:23:18 GMT
Looks like Thursday is shaping up to be the worst day in London and the South. Huge warm front from the south colliding with the cold dropping tons of snow with strong winds and the possibility of icy rain on top of it to follow. Looks like I won't be going to Sainsburys as usual on Thursday! The only tiny saving grace is the possibility of a temperature uplift and rain next weekend which will get us into snowmelt relatively quickly in London.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 3:50:57 GMT
Looks like Thursday is shaping up to be the worst day in London and the South. Huge warm front from the south colliding with the cold dropping tons of snow with strong winds and the possibility of icy rain on top of it to follow. Looks like I won't be going to Sainsburys as usual on Thursday! The only tiny saving grace is the possibility of a temperature uplift and rain next weekend which will get us into snowmelt relatively quickly in London. ...heralding floods haha
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Post by sid on Feb 26, 2018 6:39:22 GMT
Snowing in Orpington, the beast has arrived!
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 26, 2018 7:26:02 GMT
Looks like Thursday is shaping up to be the worst day in London and the South. Huge warm front from the south colliding with the cold dropping tons of snow with strong winds and the possibility of icy rain on top of it to follow. Looks like I won't be going to Sainsburys as usual on Thursday! The only tiny saving grace is the possibility of a temperature uplift and rain next weekend which will get us into snowmelt relatively quickly in London. And worse on Thursday - the snow is due in the latter half of the day meaning we will all already be at work. It will be carnage. I hate snow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 7:28:17 GMT
First Eastern Counties have thrown in towel early. Their head of operations has reportedly said no buses will operate over Tues and Wed
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 26, 2018 9:03:58 GMT
Snowing in Orpington, the beast has arrived! Its arrived here in South Croydon too. Quite heavy as well! Might not risk a commute to Kingston.
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Post by M1199 on Feb 26, 2018 9:48:09 GMT
Bright sunshine here in Hounslow! Mind you it was snowing about an hour ago!
The snow can do one in my eyes! Working at the Airport, just throws everything into chaos! BA have already told us to start planning a contingency!
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Post by busoccultation on Feb 26, 2018 9:56:07 GMT
Bright sunshine here in Hounslow! Mind you it was snowing about an hour ago! The snow can do one in my eyes! Working at the Airport, just throws everything into chaos! BA have already told us to start planning a contingency! Meanwhile its the exactly same thing in around the Ilford area where there is sunshine now and it was snowing two hours ago.
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 26, 2018 10:29:22 GMT
It's coming down here in Sidcup, but it's not settling yet.
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