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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 27, 2019 15:48:07 GMT
I wonder how soon into 2020 it’ll be before we get a passenger trying to use contactless to/from Reading via SWR. Although TfL rail will take over the Paddington - Reading service on 15 December, it is unclear if they will be full length (9 car) trains, or reduced length (7 car). I have heard that some 9 car units are now being shortened. Nothing to do with platform lengths, but the 7-car versions are authorised to operate with single signalling system (I think it is TPWS+) and a more basic signalling interface software. I thought no more 345’s were being shortened (in order to release 315s from the eastern side)? I’m sure it’d go down fantastically well with Twyford and Maidenhead punters. I didn't think anymore 315's were leaving until the central bore was being opened.
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Post by snowman on Oct 3, 2019 9:53:02 GMT
I wonder how soon into 2020 it’ll be before we get a passenger trying to use contactless to/from Reading via SWR. I thought no more 345’s were being shortened (in order to release 315s from the eastern side)? I’m sure it’d go down fantastically well with Twyford and Maidenhead punters. I didn't think anymore 315's were leaving until the central bore was being opened. Apparently some 315s are now getting low on miles before a major overhaul is required. Some have been taken to Wolverton (but not got an answer if this is for parts stripping, or overhaul) Would have thought it would be hard to justify a major overhaul of 315 whilst new trains are idle. There are a couple that have transferred to West Anglia, where at least one (315 805) appears to be dead.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 6, 2019 12:49:10 GMT
I didn't think anymore 315's were leaving until the central bore was being opened. Apparently some 315s are now getting low on miles before a major overhaul is required. Some have been taken to Wolverton (but not got an answer if this is for parts stripping, or overhaul) Would have thought it would be hard to justify a major overhaul of 315 whilst new trains are idle. There are a couple that have transferred to West Anglia, where at least one (315 805) appears to be dead. If its the case of a major overhaul, that is pointless, especially if new trains are just parked up gathering dust.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 20:35:09 GMT
Bit of a shocking story
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Post by busaholic on Oct 6, 2019 21:35:41 GMT
Bit of a shocking story
I thought these type of working conditions had, thankfully, disappeared in the U.K. over the last decades, but it seems I was wrong. What else can go wrong with Crossrail?- I hesitate to ask, for fear of the answer.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 7, 2019 17:41:12 GMT
Bit of a shocking story
I thought these type of working conditions had, thankfully, disappeared in the U.K. over the last decades, but it seems I was wrong. What else can go wrong with Crossrail?- I hesitate to ask, for fear of the answer. Doesn't surprise me. Its been long reported that the Underground is not a safe method of transport yet the government keeps this on the down low. Emissions, dust etc is worst than many of the so called heavily polluted streets of London.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 7, 2019 20:48:50 GMT
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 8, 2019 6:52:17 GMT
Those new trains look nicer than the 315's which is good
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Post by snowman on Oct 13, 2019 15:33:32 GMT
Appears some more 345s have been shortened and moved to Liverpool Street - Shenfield Line
Seems likely that more 315s (perhaps all) on the line are being withdrawn
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Post by snowman on Oct 15, 2019 8:06:14 GMT
Paddington (Elizabeth line platforms) service plan per RAIL Appears initially will only be 12 trains per hour from Abbey Wood (phase 3), then about 6 months later will be joined by Shenfield service (phase 4). Would seem that passengers would be forced to change trains at Paddington for this initial 6 months, and appears that the Paddington-Acton (phase 5) and Whitechapel-Stratford sections (phase 4) are opening after the Abbey Wood-Paddington section. Phase 5a (Paddington-Reading opens in December) Not yet clear when Shenfield trains change from 7 car to 9 car, but presumably will be 9 car by the time they run throughout. Phase 1 was Liverpool Street (main station) - Shenfield (but with reduced length trains) Phase 2 was Paddington - Heathrow Terminal 4 (operating but not with 9 car class 345s)
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Post by lundnah on Oct 15, 2019 8:35:51 GMT
Paddington (Elizabeth line platforms) service plan per RAIL Appears initially will only be 12 trains per hour from Abbey Wood (phase 3), then about 6 months later will be joined by Shenfield service (phase 4). Would seem that passengers would be forced to change trains at Paddington for this initial 6 months, and appears that the Paddington-Acton (phase 5) and Whitechapel-Stratford sections (phase 4) are opening after the Abbey Wood-Paddington section. Phase 5a (Paddington-Reading opens in December) This has always been the planned sequencing.
Stage 1: May 2017 - Introduction of new rolling stock (Liverpool Street - Shenfield)
Stage 2: May 2018 - Introduction of new rolling stock (Heathrow to Paddington) Stage 3: (tbc) – Trains run through Central Section Stage 4: (next timetable change) - Central Section passenger service connected to Great Eastern Surface Section Stage 5: (next timetable change) – Full service operating including Reading
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Post by snowman on Oct 16, 2019 11:20:56 GMT
More oddities that are not get explained are new signs on the Shenfield line adding in Northern line at Liverpool Street (which can only be reached from the Elizabeth line platforms, not the mainline platforms) and the addition of Abbey Wood branch There is a guess in the article that trains will be operated to Liverpool Street (new platforms) then reverse to Abbey Wood (using crossovers on new line). However I vaguely remember the central core was going to be bi-directional signalled so in theory might be possible to run wrong line back to Custom House where there are also crossovers. 2 Possibilites that might be the reason: there are penalties with Canary Wharf Limited if Canary Wharf station not open by a certain date it frees up the mainline platforms 15-18 for closure of 18 and extension of 16 and 17 to take 9 car peak trains hydeparknow.uk/2019/10/16/crossrail-shenfield-to-abbey-wood-services/I cannot find a revised phased introduction on the web, but presumably someone has ordered those revised signs, as they are not the final version with the central core service.
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Post by E279 on Oct 16, 2019 18:16:42 GMT
More oddities that are not get explained are new signs on the Shenfield line adding in Northern line at Liverpool Street (which can only be reached from the Elizabeth line platforms, not the mainline platforms) and the addition of Abbey Wood branch There is a guess in the article that trains will be operated to Liverpool Street (new platforms) then reverse to Abbey Wood (using crossovers on new line). However I vaguely remember the central core was going to be bi-directional signalled so in theory might be possible to run wrong line back to Custom House where there are also crossovers. 2 Possibilites that might be the reason: there are penalties with Canary Wharf Limited if Canary Wharf station not open by a certain date it frees up the mainline platforms 15-18 for closure of 18 and extension of 16 and 17 to take 9 car peak trains hydeparknow.uk/2019/10/16/crossrail-shenfield-to-abbey-wood-services/I cannot find a revised phased introduction on the web, but presumably someone has ordered those revised signs, as they are not the final version with the central core service. I recon the writers gone a bit overboard. At Termini' sometimes the map displays the other branch and Gidea Park is one of the Termini of the Elizabeth Line. Regarding the Liverpool Street platforms, Liverpool Street already have longer platforms, 12+ coaches fit on other platforms which could be used whilst the work commences, I recon we will have to wait and see as I believe the tunnels operate using a different type of signalling to the eastern section hence the 3 different types of signalling and the Class 345 (7 coaches) can only use the one.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 16, 2019 19:53:32 GMT
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Post by busaholic on Oct 16, 2019 20:26:06 GMT
More oddities that are not get explained are new signs on the Shenfield line adding in Northern line at Liverpool Street (which can only be reached from the Elizabeth line platforms, not the mainline platforms) and the addition of Abbey Wood branch There is a guess in the article that trains will be operated to Liverpool Street (new platforms) then reverse to Abbey Wood (using crossovers on new line). However I vaguely remember the central core was going to be bi-directional signalled so in theory might be possible to run wrong line back to Custom House where there are also crossovers. 2 Possibilites that might be the reason: there are penalties with Canary Wharf Limited if Canary Wharf station not open by a certain date it frees up the mainline platforms 15-18 for closure of 18 and extension of 16 and 17 to take 9 car peak trains and their chequebook hydeparknow.uk/2019/10/16/crossrail-shenfield-to-abbey-wood-services/I cannot find a revised phased introduction on the web, but presumably someone has ordered those revised signs, as they are not the final version with the central core service. Crossrail is becoming more complicated than Brexit, and just as unresolveable! (strange that Boris Johnson's fingers have been all over both pies.) I'm not a big believer in coincidences, and I can't see these new signs and maps as anything other than firm plans when the next delay to opening the central core is announced. Let's call it a backstop plan. Canary Wharf's masters and their chequebook will be exerting a great influence, I am sure, but the infrastructure (buildings/trains/signalling) lying around unused on the Abbey Wood branch may be an even bigger one. Actually, I wonder how Canary Wharf would react to a max 10 minute frequency service being introduced: i can't see more than a part payment on that basis, maybe none at all. Interesting times: the Chinese would certainly think so!
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