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Post by wirewiper on May 13, 2021 10:28:17 GMT
From the Saturday timetable change coming, there would be no more fast train on the TfL rail (eastern side). There are normally a lot of AM and PM peak fast trains that miss out stations. Now every train would serve every stop. I actually approve of that, every train stopping at every station makes the service easy to understand and use.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 13, 2021 10:41:32 GMT
From the Saturday timetable change coming, there would be no more fast train on the TfL rail (eastern side). There are normally a lot of AM and PM peak fast trains that miss out stations. Now every train would serve every stop. I actually approve of that, every train stopping at every station makes the service easy to understand and use. I agree here, I think that this is a good change. Especially if the eventual intention is for the turn up and go style service, which means people might be running onto any train at the platform and not have time to look up at station boards and as a result will rely on internal displays.
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 13, 2021 12:10:24 GMT
The new timetable also appears to stop the Gidea Park terminating trains apart from on Sundays with every peak train terminating at Shenfield. I think there's 2 or 3 Gidea Park starters around 7am, probably trains coming from the Sidings there
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Post by adl on May 13, 2021 12:46:42 GMT
The new timetable also appears to stop the Gidea Park terminating trains apart from on Sundays with every peak train terminating at Shenfield. I think there's 2 or 3 Gidea Park starters around 7am, probably trains coming from the Sidings there Yeah seems like terminating trains will be stopped though except for Sundays. I wonder if we may see Platform 6, 5 and 4 used for TfL Rail terminating trains considering they'll be an extra 6 trains per hour to Shenfield during peak times.
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 13, 2021 13:31:48 GMT
I think there's 2 or 3 Gidea Park starters around 7am, probably trains coming from the Sidings there Yeah seems like terminating trains will be stopped though except for Sundays. I wonder if we may see Platform 6, 5 and 4 used for TfL Rail terminating trains considering they'll be an extra 6 trains per hour to Shenfield during peak times. quite possibly, however they may be able to use just 2 platforms with an 11 to 12 minute turn around time at Shenfield. Even then, that might be a bit tight through the junction outside of Shenfield
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Post by joefrombow on May 13, 2021 16:22:52 GMT
Yeah seems like terminating trains will be stopped though except for Sundays. I wonder if we may see Platform 6, 5 and 4 used for TfL Rail terminating trains considering they'll be an extra 6 trains per hour to Shenfield during peak times. quite possibly, however they may be able to use just 2 platforms with an 11 to 12 minute turn around time at Shenfield. Even then, that might be a bit tight through the junction outside of Shenfield This seems like a bad idea , in the mornings towards London the current timetable seems to work serves the busiest stations with more trains than the least used ones but overall I guess won't make much of a difference a few minutes more journey time I suppose , as it stands though after 16:00 platform 8 at Stratford is extremely busy hopefully this moves some of the excess passengers it is a very ambitious timetable though every 4-6 minutes during peaks 😮 very tight the end of the road for the 315s I guess .
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 13, 2021 17:32:37 GMT
quite possibly, however they may be able to use just 2 platforms with an 11 to 12 minute turn around time at Shenfield. Even then, that might be a bit tight through the junction outside of Shenfield This seems like a bad idea , in the mornings towards London the current timetable seems to work serves the busiest stations with more trains than the least used ones but overall I guess won't make much of a difference a few minutes more journey time I suppose , as it stands though after 16:00 platform 8 at Stratford is extremely busy hopefully this moves some of the excess passengers it is a very ambitious timetable though every 4-6 minutes during peaks 😮 very tight the end of the road for the 315s I guess . I think it ties in with 9-cars being introduced on the Eastern section so there should, in theory, be more capacity. Had a 315 on my home from Stratford earlier, could be one of my last rides on one 🙁
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 14, 2021 14:02:17 GMT
This seems like a bad idea , in the mornings towards London the current timetable seems to work serves the busiest stations with more trains than the least used ones but overall I guess won't make much of a difference a few minutes more journey time I suppose , as it stands though after 16:00 platform 8 at Stratford is extremely busy hopefully this moves some of the excess passengers it is a very ambitious timetable though every 4-6 minutes during peaks 😮 very tight the end of the road for the 315s I guess . I think it ties in with 9-cars being introduced on the Eastern section so there should, in theory, be more capacity. Had a 315 on my home from Stratford earlier, could be one of my last rides on one 🙁 I do not think it was anything to do with the 9 car trains. It was bound to happen anyway. Last timetable it was upped to 3/4/5 minuites during the peak with the fast trains. It is now every 3/4 mins. Downside is the am peak people waiting at stations between Ilford and Stratford would struggle to get on, let alone get a seat. Many people are only able to get seats or on board due to the train hopping fast trains. Some Shenfield trains are full by the time they leave Romford. Rode a 315 last week, had carriage to myself. I would definately miss the quick door opening. The delay of many of the drivers on the current Crossrail trains is ridiculous. They need tips from Underground train drivers. The 317's IIRC could open the doors once coasting below 5km/h some of them, if the driver pressed it for doors to be opened.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 14, 2021 14:05:45 GMT
From the Saturday timetable change coming, there would be no more fast train on the TfL rail (eastern side). There are normally a lot of AM and PM peak fast trains that miss out stations. Now every train would serve every stop. I actually approve of that, every train stopping at every station makes the service easy to understand and use. Many people who use it would not, especially during the peak when they cannot get on board, or find a seat. I do not see how difficult it is as it is announced on the trains and on platform indicators. I guess on your basis, Intercity trains should also be stopped or any other fast trains on the rail network. The same goes for Metropolitan line fast trains.
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Post by wirewiper on May 14, 2021 15:18:20 GMT
I actually approve of that, every train stopping at every station makes the service easy to understand and use. Many people who use it would not, especially during the peak when they cannot get on board, or find a seat. I do not see how difficult it is as it is announced on the trains and on platform indicators. I guess on your basis, Intercity trains should also be stopped or any other fast trains on the rail network. The same goes for Metropolitan line fast trains. No, longer-distance express services should not stop at every station, I am not advocating that. However for a turn-up-and-go Metro-style service skip-stopping is not appropriate. The higher capacity of the 345 units and the higher frequency of the Elizabeth Line will take care of the previous capacity issues.
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 14, 2021 15:44:18 GMT
I think it ties in with 9-cars being introduced on the Eastern section so there should, in theory, be more capacity. Had a 315 on my home from Stratford earlier, could be one of my last rides on one 🙁 I do not think it was anything to do with the 9 car trains. It was bound to happen anyway. Last timetable it was upped to 3/4/5 minuites during the peak with the fast trains. It is now every 3/4 mins. Downside is the am peak people waiting at stations between Ilford and Stratford would struggle to get on, let alone get a seat. Many people are only able to get seats or on board due to the train hopping fast trains. Some Shenfield trains are full by the time they leave Romford. Rode a 315 last week, had carriage to myself. I would definately miss the quick door opening. The delay of many of the drivers on the current Crossrail trains is ridiculous. They need tips from Underground train drivers. The 317's IIRC could open the doors once coasting below 5km/h some of them, if the driver pressed it for doors to be opened. 9-cars are being phased in during May, running alongside the 7 cars and replacing the 315s. Think the target for full 9-car is September Don't think under more modern H&S standards opening the doors whilst moving (even at 5kmh) would be acceptable.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 15, 2021 11:01:08 GMT
Many people who use it would not, especially during the peak when they cannot get on board, or find a seat. I do not see how difficult it is as it is announced on the trains and on platform indicators. I guess on your basis, Intercity trains should also be stopped or any other fast trains on the rail network. The same goes for Metropolitan line fast trains. No, longer-distance express services should not stop at every station, I am not advocating that. However for a turn-up-and-go Metro-style service skip-stopping is not appropriate. The higher capacity of the 345 units and the higher frequency of the Elizabeth Line will take care of the previous capacity issues. Well on your basis we should have the Metropolitan line fast trains abolished.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 15, 2021 11:02:26 GMT
I do not think it was anything to do with the 9 car trains. It was bound to happen anyway. Last timetable it was upped to 3/4/5 minuites during the peak with the fast trains. It is now every 3/4 mins. Downside is the am peak people waiting at stations between Ilford and Stratford would struggle to get on, let alone get a seat. Many people are only able to get seats or on board due to the train hopping fast trains. Some Shenfield trains are full by the time they leave Romford. Rode a 315 last week, had carriage to myself. I would definately miss the quick door opening. The delay of many of the drivers on the current Crossrail trains is ridiculous. They need tips from Underground train drivers. The 317's IIRC could open the doors once coasting below 5km/h some of them, if the driver pressed it for doors to be opened. 9-cars are being phased in during May, running alongside the 7 cars and replacing the 315s. Think the target for full 9-car is September Don't think under more modern H&S standards opening the doors whilst moving (even at 5kmh) would be acceptable. Remembering the open slam door carriages where you could even put your head out of the window. H&S would have a heart attack at those now.
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Post by greenboy on May 15, 2021 11:37:06 GMT
No, longer-distance express services should not stop at every station, I am not advocating that. However for a turn-up-and-go Metro-style service skip-stopping is not appropriate. The higher capacity of the 345 units and the higher frequency of the Elizabeth Line will take care of the previous capacity issues. Well on your basis we should have the Metropolitan line fast trains abolished. And Thameslink........ somebody could jump on at London Bridge expecting to go to Deptford only to find that the next stop is East Croydon. I thought stopping all off peak trains at Preston Road and Northwich Park on the Metropolitan Line was a nonsense as well.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 15, 2021 11:41:45 GMT
I actually approve of that, every train stopping at every station makes the service easy to understand and use. Many people who use it would not, especially during the peak when they cannot get on board, or find a seat. I do not see how difficult it is as it is announced on the trains and on platform indicators. I guess on your basis, Intercity trains should also be stopped or any other fast trains on the rail network. The same goes for Metropolitan line fast trains. I think the Metropolitan Line fast trains should be all stations, I've lost count of the amount of times on a fast and people look out the window as their train glides through the back of the station they wanted to get off at.
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