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Post by enviroPB on Dec 26, 2017 0:53:06 GMT
Not sure if mentioned but here are some more: 325 has a low hanging advert/sign en route, not sure if it has been removed or not. Feel free to correct any errors mentioned The 'low-hanging' sign next to the A406 is not the reason as to why the 325 (or 366) can't take deckers. It is high enough, I have seen a RM Trident trainer pass under it with no problems at all. While everyone focuses on the scapegoated sign, the reason for the decker ban lies centimetres away in the form of the police station/warehouse that sits next to the bus-only llink road. It's more likely than not that the base has confidential operations going on there (it's used by traffic police a lot due its strategic placing); but the sign is definately not too low to accomodate a decker. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 1:06:16 GMT
Not sure if mentioned but here are some more: 325 has a low hanging advert/sign en route, not sure if it has been removed or not. Feel free to correct any errors mentioned The 'low-hanging' sign next to the A406 is not the reason as to why the 325 (or 366) can't take deckers. It is high enough, I have seen a RM Trident trainer pass under it with no problems at all. While everyone focuses on the scapegoated sign, the reason for the decker ban lies centimetres away in the form of the police station/warehouse that sits next to the bus-only llink road. It's more likely than not that the base has confidential operations going on there (it's used by traffic police a lot due its strategic placing); but the sign is definately not too low to accomodate a decker. That’s a really interesting point. If the police operations legally prevent deckers going through there then it counts but if it’s merely a courtesy than they will have to build a bigger wall 😂 EDIT: I’ve just seen a view of it. If we are talking about the road between Jenkins Lane and Quay Road, I’m sorry but the A406 is elevated with a much clearer view into the ‘base’ so I can’t see how DD buses would be banned here |
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 26, 2017 1:31:34 GMT
The 'low-hanging' sign next to the A406 is not the reason as to why the 325 (or 366) can't take deckers. It is high enough, I have seen a RM Trident trainer pass under it with no problems at all. While everyone focuses on the scapegoated sign, the reason for the decker ban lies centimetres away in the form of the police station/warehouse that sits next to the bus-only llink road. It's more likely than not that the base has confidential operations going on there (it's used by traffic police a lot due its strategic placing); but the sign is definately not too low to accomodate a decker. That’s a really interesting point. If the police operations legally prevent deckers going through there then it counts but if it’s merely a courtesy than they will have to build a bigger wall 😂 EDIT: I’ve just seen a view of it. If we are talking about the road between Jenkins Lane and Quay Road, I’m sorry but the A406 is elevated with a much clearer view into the ‘base’ so I can’t see how DD buses would be banned here It could be a courtesy arrangement with the Met and TfL for the very point you raised; road users on the A406 can see the compound, so why would you care about passengers on buses?!   I only comment when I see someone say it's due to the low advertising sign that the 325 & 366 can't be decked. Just wanted to set the score straight by saying a decker has no troubles with the sign, heck a trainee driver drove under it for heaven's sake!!   |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 26, 2017 3:02:03 GMT
Well I'm just going to list and let others decide how viable it is
H13 - narrow roads at Northwood Hill, St. Vincents
H28 - has a low bridge on Spring Grove Road in Hounslow
K2, K3, K4 & K5 - all have a low bridge at Norbiton Station on Coombe Road
P5 - has 5 low bridges - one on Thessaly Road on the Patmore Estate in Nine Elms, one on Stewart's Road on the Patmore Estate in Nine Elms, one on Bedford Road at Clapham North, one on Coldharbour Lane in Brixton & one on Loughborough Road at Loughborough Junction
P12 - has a low bridge on Gibbon Road at Nunhead Station
P13 - has the aforementioned low bridge on Thurlow Park Road in Tulse Hill. Also, Downton Avenue in Streatham Hill is generally full of parked cars on both sides and would make double deck operation problematic
S1 - Robertsbridge Road in St. Helier is very narrow where even it's single deckers struggle to run along. Revesby Road off Green Wrythe Lane has the exact same issue
S3 - has a low bridge on Langley Park Road in Sutton. I'd also argue that the bend at the top of the Dibdin Road at Sutton Common would be dangerous to do in a decker
U10 - narrow roads with parked cars on the loop around Ickenham Station
W4 - Willian Road & Gloucester Road on the Broadwater Estate look possibly problematic - though W4's towards either end run the same way through the estate, the roads are two way
W12 - Church Lane in Walthamstow is quite tight despite being one way - I'd also say Addison Road is (same area) in places as well
W15 - Has a low bridge on Grove Green Road in Leytonstone
W16 - Has a low bridge on Hainault Road, Leyton
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Post by sid on Dec 26, 2017 7:46:47 GMT
[quote author="@metroman" source="/post/409067/thread" timestamp="1514250376"] The 'low-hanging' sign next to the A406 is not the reason as to why the 325 (or 366) can't take deckers. It is high enough, I have seen a RM Trident trainer pass under it with no problems at all. While everyone focuses on the scapegoated sign, the reason for the decker ban lies centimetres away in the form of the police station/warehouse that sits next to the bus-only llink road. It's more likely than not that the base has confidential operations going on there (it's used by traffic police a lot due its strategic placing); but the sign is definately not too low to accomodate a decker. That’s a really interesting point. If the police operations legally prevent deckers going through there then it counts but if it’s merely a courtesy than they will have to build a bigger wall 😂 EDIT: I’ve just seen a view of it. If we are talking about the road between Jenkins Lane and Quay Road, I’m sorry but the A406 is elevated with a much clearer view into the ‘base’ so I can’t see how DD buses would be banned here[/quote] It's probably just a 'Gentleman's agreement' and something similar apparently exists on route 80 with double deckers not going into the prison grounds, although the occasional one does. This is the same reason many residents object to double deckers, top deck passengers being able to see over walls. |
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Post by COBO on Dec 26, 2017 8:33:26 GMT
H9 / H10 goes under a low bridge at Wealdstone.
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Post by lwldriver on Dec 26, 2017 9:28:34 GMT
Well I'm just going to list and let others decide how viable it is H13 - narrow roads at Northwood Hill, St. Vincents H28 - has a low bridge on Spring Grove Road in Hounslow K2, K3, K4 & K5 - all have a low bridge at Norbiton Station on Coombe Road P5 - has 5 low bridges - one on Thessaly Road on the Patmore Estate in Nine Elms, one on Stewart's Road on the Patmore Estate in Nine Elms, one on Bedford Road at Clapham North, one on Coldharbour Lane in Brixton & one on Loughborough Road at Loughborough Junction P12 - has a low bridge on Gibbon Road at Nunhead Station P13 - has the aforementioned low bridge on Thurlow Park Road in Tulse Hill. Also, Downton Avenue in Streatham Hill is generally full of parked cars on both sides and would make double deck operation problematic S1 - Robertsbridge Road in St. Helier is very narrow where even it's single deckers struggle to run along. Revesby Road off Green Wrythe Lane has the exact same issue S3 - has a low bridge on Langley Park Road in Sutton. I'd also argue that the bend at the top of the Dibdin Road at Sutton Common would be dangerous to do in a decker U10 - narrow roads with parked cars on the loop around Ickenham Station W4 - Willian Road & Gloucester Road on the Broadwater Estate look possibly problematic - though W4's towards either end run the same way through the estate, the roads are two way W12 - Church Lane in Walthamstow is quite tight despite being one way - I'd also say Addison Road is (same area) in places as well W15 - Has a low bridge on Grove Green Road in Leytonstone W16 - Has a low bridge on Hainault Road, Leyton Downton Avenue isn’t that much of a problem as it’s reasonably wide. The road which ultimately rules out deckers from the P13 is Blenheim Grove & Chadwick Road in Peckham. Round the back from Peckham Rye Station. If anyone gets a chance to have a quick ride to East Dulwich on a Streatham bound P13 from Peckham and you will see the tight roads. |
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Post by lwldriver on Dec 26, 2017 9:32:07 GMT
433 has issues with residents in Selsdon Vale I think so can't use deckers. Low tree branches in the Forestdale area also, notably near to the Newlands Woods stop although with a few hours of tree surgeons on site, the branches can easily be clipped back. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Dec 26, 2017 20:40:45 GMT
It's probably just a 'Gentleman's agreement' and something similar apparently exists on route 80 with double deckers not going into the prison grounds, although the occasional one does. This is the same reason many residents object to double deckers, top deck passengers being able to see over walls. I've done decker 80s a couple of times and never had problems with the Highdown & Downview bit. In fact I think they stopped caring about that one  |
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Post by sid on Dec 26, 2017 21:22:53 GMT
It's probably just a 'Gentleman's agreement' and something similar apparently exists on route 80 with double deckers not going into the prison grounds, although the occasional one does. This is the same reason many residents object to double deckers, top deck passengers being able to see over walls. I've done decker 80s a couple of times and never had problems with the Highdown & Downview bit. In fact I think they stopped caring about that one That's what a Sutton driver told me and double deckers on the 80 are still quite rare, could do with them for peak time loadings to and from Morden though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 23:07:27 GMT
Hello all just to say sorry for the lack of updates, working 9-5 as a shift worker feels like 7-7 as I’m sure some will agree. I’ll see if I can get some free time tomorrow to spend some time analysing all your suggestions. I’m determined to get the 3xx routes looking much tidier!
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Post by londonbusexplorer on Dec 27, 2017 18:23:17 GMT
Hey @metroman, I often like to say trees aren't a valid reason to keep a route SD. Cut 'em down!!  But them look up to what happened to that ex-First TE on route 91... Hit a low branch and got deroofed, and that was on the line of route! So trees are no joke unfortunately As for residents, 316 is another classic. Can do DD easily, actually Why do residents complain about the 316 when double decker buses do that section anyway? If it's the section I think it is then the residents have never heard of the 295. |
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 28, 2017 17:45:09 GMT
Hey @metroman , I often like to say trees aren't a valid reason to keep a route SD. Cut 'em down!! But them look up to what happened to that ex-First TE on route 91... Hit a low branch and got deroofed, and that was on the line of route! So trees are no joke unfortunately As for residents, 316 is another classic. Can do DD easily, actually Why do residents complain about the 316 when double decker buses do that section anyway? If it's the section I think it is then the residents have never heard of the 295. I beg to differ. Housing around there is dense and the type of housing (council flats & houses) reflect what type of social class these residents aree from. In other words; north Kensington is quite a poor part of the borough and as such, bus ridership will be high. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Dec 29, 2017 18:31:34 GMT
Couple more.
117, if not mentioned already, goes underneath the same bridge as H37, at Isleworth.
S4 and S3 - narrow roads, and also the roof underneath Royal Marsden Hospital is low enough to accommodate a single-decker, but surely not a double!
278 273 - narrow roads again, but the ultimate killer is the low roof of Lewisham Tesco's stop/stand.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 29, 2017 18:50:51 GMT
Couple more. 117, if not mentioned already, goes underneath the same bridge as H37, at Isleworth. S4 and S3 - narrow roads, and also the roof underneath Royal Marsden Hospital is low enough to accommodate a single-decker, but surely not a double! 278 - narrow roads again, but the ultimate killer is the low roof of Lewisham Tesco's stop/stand. Ahem - 273 methinks. 278 is a creation in West London. |
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