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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Dec 29, 2017 19:10:41 GMT
278 - narrow roads again, but the ultimate killer is the low roof of Lewisham Tesco's stop/stand. Ahem - 273 methinks. 278 is a creation in West London.   Oh fiddlesticks! I keep making errors like this. Fixed now! |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 29, 2017 19:12:47 GMT
Couple more. 117, if not mentioned already, goes underneath the same bridge as H37, at Isleworth. S4 and S3 - narrow roads, and also the roof underneath Royal Marsden Hospital is low enough to accommodate a single-decker, but surely not a double! 278 273 - narrow roads again, but the ultimate killer is the low roof of Lewisham Tesco's stop/stand. S3 has a low bridge on Langley Park Road so couldn’t be done anyway |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 29, 2017 19:36:46 GMT
The 'low-hanging' sign next to the A406 is not the reason as to why the 325 (or 366) can't take deckers. It is high enough, I have seen a RM Trident trainer pass under it with no problems at all. While everyone focuses on the scapegoated sign, the reason for the decker ban lies centimetres away in the form of the police station/warehouse that sits next to the bus-only llink road. It's more likely than not that the base has confidential operations going on there (it's used by traffic police a lot due its strategic placing); but the sign is definately not too low to accomodate a decker. That’s a really interesting point. If the police operations legally prevent deckers going through there then it counts but if it’s merely a courtesy than they will have to build a bigger wall 😂 EDIT: I’ve just seen a view of it. If we are talking about the road between Jenkins Lane and Quay Road, I’m sorry but the A406 is elevated with a much clearer view into the ‘base’ so I can’t see how DD buses would be banned here I really doubt there is anything saying these routes cannot be decked. The 325 loadings doesn't warrant double deckers and I doubt the 366 does either. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 29, 2017 20:02:29 GMT
That’s a really interesting point. If the police operations legally prevent deckers going through there then it counts but if it’s merely a courtesy than they will have to build a bigger wall 😂 EDIT: I’ve just seen a view of it. If we are talking about the road between Jenkins Lane and Quay Road, I’m sorry but the A406 is elevated with a much clearer view into the ‘base’ so I can’t see how DD buses would be banned here I really doubt there is anything saying these routes cannot be decked. The 325 loadings doesn't warrant double deckers and I doubt the 366 does either. I'm starting to think that Fleet Road isn't actually an issue, because a proposal in the Development paper was to deck the 325 suggesting there aren't actually any barriers to this. I also think you may be right about loadings, both routes have healthy patronage numbers for Single Deck routes but it's been a very long time since I saw a 325 or 366 packed solid. Prior to the 2016 contract the 366 would struggle but that's not the case anymore since its PVR and frequency increase. |
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 29, 2017 22:49:43 GMT
I really doubt there is anything saying these routes cannot be decked. The 325 loadings doesn't warrant double deckers and I doubt the 366 does either. I'm starting to think that Fleet Road isn't actually an issue, because a proposal in the Development paper was to deck the 325 suggesting there aren't actually any barriers to this. I also think you may be right about loadings, both routes have healthy patronage numbers for Single Deck routes but it's been a very long time since I saw a 325 or 366 packed solid. Prior to the 2016 contract the 366 would struggle but that's not the case anymore since its PVR and frequency increase. I've seen a few packed 366s during my Uni years until summer last year (2016) and I always thought DDs were justified for the route. Not sure about it now though as it's been a while since I've witnessed the route regularly bar the odd occasion of venturing within its vicinity. |
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 1, 2018 16:31:42 GMT
A couple more from East London (apologies if they have already been mentioned and I've missed them).
394 - restricted to short-wheelbase vehicles due to narrow streets and tight corners in the Hoxton area. I have observed the old 10.2m Caetano-bodied Darts on occasion when CT Plus had them for the 153, but never anything longer.
D3: very low bridge (10' 6") in Vallance Road, between Whitechapel and Bethnal Green.
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 1, 2018 16:41:35 GMT
488: low bridge in Fairfield Road, Bow (the same one that restricts the 276). The 276 and 488 are also restricted by a low underpass at Wick Lane, Old Ford between Jodrell Road and Monier Road - the road passes underneath the A12 (originally the East Cross Route) at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 17:56:12 GMT
I’ll have time tomorrow to update the list peeps. Continued thanks for contributions
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Post by snowman on Jan 9, 2018 16:14:39 GMT
Bit of a variation, has made the news today in Battersea that the new single decks are too tall for the 10 foot height restriction so TfL just abandoned a section of route 170 Wandsworth Council news linkA basic streetlite 10.8m is officially 2905mm (9'7") but this may exclude any roof mounted pods, cant remember exact height of the Darts, but they are about 2850mm (9'4") |
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Post by sid on Jan 9, 2018 16:23:12 GMT
Bit of a variation, has made the news today in Battersea that the new single decks are too tall for the 10 foot height restriction so TfL just abandoned a section of route 170 Wandsworth Council news linkA basic streetlite 10.8m is officially 2905mm (9'7") but this may exclude any roof mounted pods Absolute farce, surely the buck stops with Go Ahead? Can they not just put the offending WS's on another route, 163/164 for example? |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jan 9, 2018 16:56:16 GMT
Bit of a variation, has made the news today in Battersea that the new single decks are too tall for the 10 foot height restriction so TfL just abandoned a section of route 170 Wandsworth Council news linkA basic streetlite 10.8m is officially 2905mm (9'7") but this may exclude any roof mounted pods, cant remember exact height of the Darts, but they are about 2850mm (9'4") You couldn't make this up! We have a W8-esque situation here! Wonder what GAL will do now, and they had StreetLites ALL this time so whoever didn't carry out the route test properly, heads should roll... |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jan 9, 2018 17:03:51 GMT
Also sorry to double post, but one of my friends highlighted something - @metroman you have 286 on a list of routes that cannot be decked when a decker ran full mileage of the route with me on board... Yes it's a 184/316 style situation where DDs can do full route but divert for whatever reason... Yet don't have 331 on the can't-be-decked list. Trust me if U2, U10 and 331 could take DDs, UX would have had one turn up at some point. Those trees sometimes brush the singles....not long the route had to divert as it was deemed too unsafe for all buses |
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Post by lwldriver on Jan 9, 2018 17:08:14 GMT
Also sorry to double post, but one of my friends highlighted something - metroman you have 286 on a list of routes that cannot be decked when a decker ran full mileage of the route... Yet don't have 331 on the can't-be-decked list. Trust me if U2, U10 and 331 could take DDs, UX would have had one turn up at some point. Those trees sometimes brush the singles....not long the route had to divert as it was deemed too unsafe for all buses 286 Deckers don’t do the full route, they turn at the Frognal Corner roundabout and so don’t serve the hospital loop which misses out I believe two stops. |
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Post by lwldriver on Jan 9, 2018 17:10:06 GMT
Hello all, just to say I’m gonna need big help with the 300’s and school/mobility routes. As I’m scanning your helpful replies I’m trying to add them all in but I may forget some so you may have to repeat yourselves a bit. Some repetition is NOT a problem for me on this thread as it might help me out so hopefully it isn’t an issue for anyone else here. It’s important to let me know specific locations of problem areas, I just don’t have time to look at entire route lengths to check out your tight turns, narrow roads and trees claims. I’ll get started on prefixes soon. Just to let you know that I disregarded some suggestions, not because I’m mean (well I am, but not in these cases lol) because I couldn’t see specific issues where I saw an alleged issue. That doesn’t mean I’m right, you’re wrong... it’s a forum so if you feel strongly about it let me know! We can all have a healthy debate about it. Bearing this in mind... - I deleted 290 and 490. RandomBusesGirl informed me the vehicles used are allocated to SD garages but as contracts and garages swap over I’m not considering this a barrier to DD operation (remember part of the reason the thread was introduced was to assist with fantasy route suggestions and it’s important that route possibilities are utilised where possible). I’m also confident the 490 can turn in Pools on the Park in Richmond due to the fact I’ve seen DD vehicles parked there, perhaps on school contracts. - 193, I considered County Park Estate to be suitable due to the fact buses appear to loop one way (anti-clockwise) to stand, however I noticed Ascot Gardens looks incredibly tight for passing opportunities (the only reason I could find for such small buses being used) - I need specific location data for the turns and trees for 331, 404 please - 336, I couldn’t see a low bridge on Holmesdale Road - I removed 233 as the trees around Northview do not look too bad for DDs... if they are in the current state according to maps the branches appear quite thin and easily manageable by trimming back. I wouldn’t think they would cause damage to a bus with a decent deflector. If you disagree, say so! 😋 336 has a very low bridge on it, one on I think Page Heath Lane and another one on Holmesdale Road by the Tesco. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jan 9, 2018 17:10:28 GMT
Also sorry to double post, but one of my friends highlighted something - metroman you have 286 on a list of routes that cannot be decked when a decker ran full mileage of the route... 286 Deckers don’t do the full route, they turn at the Frognal Corner roundabout and so don’t serve the hospital loop which misses out I believe two stops. Yes that's how they're instructed. But one I rode didn't do this. I even have filmed a route visual to back this up, once I get my YT channel intro done I will put it up I promise. For now here's a picture of it using the normal hospital stand, meaning it had to continue straight into the hospital site to get out: flic.kr/p/21znuLW |
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