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Post by sid on Jan 12, 2018 9:51:49 GMT
I've randomly spotted a blinded WVL 286 after I was returning from DW 160, and had a chat with the lovely driver - and heard the same news as presented here! 286's SEs and 170's WSs to swap. The gentleman I spoke to is actually receiving his type training tomorrow. As for the #BridgeGate - the WSs DO fit under the bridge - BUT the sign states 9 feet clearance or something, anyway lower than the real clearance and height of the bus so yea... I presume it might be illegal to drive under that's why it was stopped. Real life, stranger than fiction! To clarify the clearance under the southbound arch is 10ft. I don't know the height of a WS but if it's greater than 10ft I just cannot believe nobody would have spotted the problem before ordering WS's. Of course an official statement from TfL would put an end to the speculation. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jan 12, 2018 9:58:53 GMT
Of course an official statement from TfL would put an end to the speculation. When what they did was silently divert the route away without warning, I wouldn't hope on that! They prefer to sweep stuff underneath the carpet and pretend everything is wonderful  |
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Post by sid on Jan 12, 2018 10:03:17 GMT
Of course an official statement from TfL would put an end to the speculation. When what they did was silently divert the route away without warning, I wouldn't hope on that! They prefer to sweep stuff underneath the carpet and pretend everything is wonderful Exactly TfL have just diverted the route southbound and hoped nobody will say anything. Passengers must be baffled as to how buses can still do the normal route in the opposite direction, they've probably worked out by now that the bridge is the fly in the ointment? It's probably the poor drivers that get all the earache about it! |
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Post by snowman on Jan 12, 2018 10:18:00 GMT
Of course an official statement from TfL would put an end to the speculation. When what they did was silently divert the route away without warning, I wouldn't hope on that! They prefer to sweep stuff underneath the carpet and pretend everything is wonderful /photo/1 |
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Post by planesandtrains on Jan 12, 2018 15:34:46 GMT
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Post by ibus246 on Jan 12, 2018 17:54:10 GMT
To aid consistency, can all the 170 bridge gate stuff be moved to a separate thread. Can a mod do this please if possible? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 17:55:38 GMT
To aid consistency, can all the 170 bridge gate stuff be moved to a separate thread. Can a mod do this please if possible? A bit late now. It's all winding down now a solution has been found and confirmed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 11:56:02 GMT
Hi all, just updated the list and it’s starting to look fuller, especially the 3xx list. Need big help with the B routes as they are not my speciality (then again what is? Lol). Note that I have only, since the last update, listed those which I had in my notebook so some of your more recent suggestions aren’t yet included... patience my dear disciples!
I have removed the following suggestions (as always the decision is NOT necessarily final, and always up for debate!)
493: The route around St. George’s Hospital grounds seems fairly obstruction-free with many roads one-way. The 493 already uses full length vehicles so have little justification from what I’ve seen to rule out DDs. Someone also mentioned the trees along the Southfields area but like the 39 these could be managed.
U9: I cannot get a google map view of the turning circle at Harefield Hospital however it doesn’t appear problematic for a DD. Harvil Road looks accessible for all vehicle types.
H13: The area around the nursing home appears okay, there are few low trees in the area I saw.
665: I would need more information. The route appears to share roads in the Berrylands area with the full size K2 route which needs single decks more because of a low bridge in Norbiton as opposed to anything else, what specific roads contain hazardous trees?
U10: The Ickenham ‘loop’ section appears fine for the long wheelbase Enviros currently using the route. There are a lack of overhanging trees which would cause issues with the operation of DDs, none which can’t be reasonably managed in any case.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 17, 2018 12:04:18 GMT
I see route W19 isn't on the list, that route is hampered by the bridge at Whipps Cross Hospital. Same for the W15 and the 357 on Sundays
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 12:09:10 GMT
Just another thing, as ibus246 mentioned regarding the 170, could we keep the subject matter in mind when posting here. I’ll need to go back and retrieve your suggestions for inclusion in the list and personally this will be easier if I can get straight to it moving forward. I do understand why the 170 stuff was posted here in a way but it’s about the exclusion of double decks only please from now on. Thanks in advance for your understanding :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 12:12:30 GMT
I see route W19 isn't on the list, that route is hampered by the bridge at Whipps Cross Hospital. Same for the W15 and the 357 on Sundays Ah yes thanks you reminded me... the 357, W12, W13 and W19 all use this routeing (assuming we are discussing the same structure). The structure I observed is an elevated walkway, and from google maps the maximum safe height stated is 14 feet 5 inches. I’m sure this allows DD buses to pass under. And I’m sure the W19 has used DDs in the past, perhaps they avoided the hospital grounds but I wouldn’t know. |
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Post by redexpress on Jan 17, 2018 12:49:45 GMT
I see route W19 isn't on the list, that route is hampered by the bridge at Whipps Cross Hospital. Same for the W15 and the 357 on Sundays Ah yes thanks you reminded me... the 357, W12, W13 and W19 all use this routeing (assuming we are discussing the same structure). The structure I observed is an elevated walkway, and from google maps the maximum safe height stated is 14 feet 5 inches. I’m sure this allows DD buses to pass under. And I’m sure the W19 has used DDs in the past, perhaps they avoided the hospital grounds but I wouldn’t know. Although the structure clearance is marked as 14'5, the legal height limit is lower than that - look at the southern approach to the structure and you'll see a compulsory limit marked at 4m / 13'0, which rules out all London DDs. In any case many of the common DD types in use in London are 14'6 so would not be OK even if the limit was 14'5. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 12:56:12 GMT
Ah yes thanks you reminded me... the 357, W12, W13 and W19 all use this routeing (assuming we are discussing the same structure). The structure I observed is an elevated walkway, and from google maps the maximum safe height stated is 14 feet 5 inches. I’m sure this allows DD buses to pass under. And I’m sure the W19 has used DDs in the past, perhaps they avoided the hospital grounds but I wouldn’t know. Although the structure clearance is marked as 14'5, the legal height limit is lower than that - look at the southern approach to the structure and you'll see a compulsory limit marked at 4m / 13'0, which rules out all London DDs. In any case many of the common DD types in use in London are 14'6 so would not be OK even if the limit was 14'5. I see, in all honesty I thought modern day DDs were shorter than the old Metrobuses and Titans rolling around and they were around 14”6’ but fair dos... so what route did the DD W19s take? |
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Post by redexpress on Jan 17, 2018 13:04:49 GMT
Although the structure clearance is marked as 14'5, the legal height limit is lower than that - look at the southern approach to the structure and you'll see a compulsory limit marked at 4m / 13'0, which rules out all London DDs. In any case many of the common DD types in use in London are 14'6 so would not be OK even if the limit was 14'5. I see, in all honesty I thought modern day DDs were shorter than the old Metrobuses and Titans rolling around and they were around 14”6’ but fair dos... so what route did the DD W19s take? I know nothing about any DD W19s. How long ago was that? It's possible that the compulsory sign wasn't there at the time, so a DD may have been useable if under 14'5. |
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Post by snowman on Jan 17, 2018 13:10:02 GMT
665: I would need more information. The route appears to share roads in the Berrylands area with the full size K2 route which needs single decks more because of a low bridge in Norbiton as opposed to anything else, what specific roads contain hazardous trees? 665 and K2 is due to a few scattered trees along Surbiton Hill Park and Raeburn Avenue. There are no parking restrictions in the area so vehicles could be near the kerb, some trees overhang the road, buses could probably miss them by using the middle of the (generally quiet) road, but that is not satisfactory. Both K2 and 665 use 10.2m e200s (occasional older Dart), 665 bus also works K2 (not sure what you mean by full size K2) although longer 10.9m versions get used occasionally. |
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