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Post by LondonNorthern on May 12, 2022 16:32:50 GMT
HAHA I remember them! They did SDO journeys on the 143, gives me flashbacks to early 00s
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Post by greg on May 12, 2022 16:41:27 GMT
Are you sure double deckers can’t get around the tight roads and turn around at the O2 centre? Looking at the Blackburn Road and the turnaround I can’t see a double decker having any trouble with that road. I wonder how the odd double deckers on the 187 (when it was operated by Thorpes and London Traveller) could manage. The 268 has seen 10.7m Darts before, in particular ex 126 example 3299 so most buses should be ok with it Yeah. I dont think an LT would manage though, would look like another 21 wedged LT situation
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Post by BK15AZR on May 12, 2022 22:44:28 GMT
If the O2 stand has no issues, I wonder why the 268 never saw any occasional DD workings when at GR? They even resorted to 7.8m Solos at times when there was a shortage of longer SDs. The Belsize Village section has no issues either, as this is often used by Overground rail replacement, and diversions on the 31 as has been mentioned already. And the rest of the 268 is paralleled by the N5. My guess would be resident issues somewhere, with exceptions made for diversions and rail replacement? Would it be the turn from Hampstead High Street onto Heath Street? I rode on a 268 last week and the E200 had to cut through the opposite lane a bit when turning. I know the N5 also turns there but the amount of traffic should be much lighter at night.
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Post by COBO on May 12, 2022 22:46:33 GMT
If the O2 stand has no issues, I wonder why the 268 never saw any occasional DD workings when at GR? They even resorted to 7.8m Solos at times when there was a shortage of longer SDs. The Belsize Village section has no issues either, as this is often used by Overground rail replacement, and diversions on the 31 as has been mentioned already. And the rest of the 268 is paralleled by the N5. My guess would be resident issues somewhere, with exceptions made for diversions and rail replacement? Would it be the turn from Hampstead High Street onto Heath Street? I rode on a 268 last week and the E200 had to cut through the opposite lane a bit when turning. I know the N5 also turns there but the amount of traffic should be much lighter at night. No because double deckers on rail replacement on the Northern Line also make that turn.
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Post by vjaska on May 12, 2022 22:48:12 GMT
If the O2 stand has no issues, I wonder why the 268 never saw any occasional DD workings when at GR? They even resorted to 7.8m Solos at times when there was a shortage of longer SDs. The Belsize Village section has no issues either, as this is often used by Overground rail replacement, and diversions on the 31 as has been mentioned already. And the rest of the 268 is paralleled by the N5. My guess would be resident issues somewhere, with exceptions made for diversions and rail replacement? Most likely as there is a resident issues in Dulwich Village yet diverted double deckers have passed through before
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Post by greg on May 13, 2022 18:05:40 GMT
If the O2 stand has no issues, I wonder why the 268 never saw any occasional DD workings when at GR? They even resorted to 7.8m Solos at times when there was a shortage of longer SDs. The Belsize Village section has no issues either, as this is often used by Overground rail replacement, and diversions on the 31 as has been mentioned already. And the rest of the 268 is paralleled by the N5. My guess would be resident issues somewhere, with exceptions made for diversions and rail replacement? Most likely as there is a resident issues in Dulwich Village yet diverted double deckers have passed through before You mean Belsize haha mixing the 268 and P4 up. One thing we havent considered is what if there are just no restrictions and operators just havent needed to use a DD at GR? From my speculation, the 268 was the furthest single deck route to GR so incase of shortages, it would be much more reliable on the Harrow and 288/303 routes as the mileage is shorter. Their DD routes 142, 258, 340 were running a lot closet to these routes than the 268. Furthermore, the 268 will NEVER amount to the capacity of a double decker, when it runs every 20 minutes through homes of some of the richest Londoners, Belsize Village & Primrose Hill, Hampstead and Golders Hill (nearby Hampstead Garden Suburb) and Golders Green do not disappoint.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 13, 2022 18:30:14 GMT
Most likely as there is a resident issues in Dulwich Village yet diverted double deckers have passed through before You mean Belsize haha mixing the 268 and P4 up. One thing we havent considered is what if there are just no restrictions and operators just havent needed to use a DD at GR? From my speculation, the 268 was the furthest single deck route to GR so incase of shortages, it would be much more reliable on the Harrow and 288/303 routes as the mileage is shorter. Their DD routes 142, 258, 340 were running a lot closet to these routes than the 268. Furthermore, the 268 will NEVER amount to the capacity of a double decker, when it runs every 20 minutes through homes of some of the richest Londoners, Belsize Village & Primrose Hill, Hampstead and Golders Hill (nearby Hampstead Garden Suburb) and Golders Green do not disappoint. Wouldn't go as far as to say it wouldn't amount to it never receiving double deckers, be on a 268 on a Saturday/Sunday with nice weather (especially between Golders Green & Hampstead) or during peak hours and the 268 can be rammed. Not exactly helped by the idiotic frequency cut in 2018.
I don't think you can correlate class to bus usage being low, what would the usage levels be like on routes such as the 65/85/93/94 if we went off that logic?
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Post by vjaska on May 13, 2022 21:24:36 GMT
Most likely as there is a resident issues in Dulwich Village yet diverted double deckers have passed through before You mean Belsize haha mixing the 268 and P4 up. One thing we havent considered is what if there are just no restrictions and operators just havent needed to use a DD at GR? From my speculation, the 268 was the furthest single deck route to GR so incase of shortages, it would be much more reliable on the Harrow and 288/303 routes as the mileage is shorter. Their DD routes 142, 258, 340 were running a lot closet to these routes than the 268. Furthermore, the 268 will NEVER amount to the capacity of a double decker, when it runs every 20 minutes through homes of some of the richest Londoners, Belsize Village & Primrose Hill, Hampstead and Golders Hill (nearby Hampstead Garden Suburb) and Golders Green do not disappoint. No I wasn’t mixed up - I used the P4 as an example where resident issues don’t stop deckers using it on diversion
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Post by COBO on May 14, 2022 5:34:01 GMT
Most likely as there is a resident issues in Dulwich Village yet diverted double deckers have passed through before You mean Belsize haha mixing the 268 and P4 up. One thing we havent considered is what if there are just no restrictions and operators just havent needed to use a DD at GR? From my speculation, the 268 was the furthest single deck route to GR so incase of shortages, it would be much more reliable on the Harrow and 288/303 routes as the mileage is shorter. Their DD routes 142, 258, 340 were running a lot closet to these routes than the 268. Furthermore, the 268 will NEVER amount to the capacity of a double decker, when it runs every 20 minutes through homes of some of the richest Londoners, Belsize Village & Primrose Hill, Hampstead and Golders Hill (nearby Hampstead Garden Suburb) and Golders Green do not disappoint. I don't think that any of that is the reason why the 268 don't get dds.
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Post by londonbuses on Jun 5, 2022 23:16:28 GMT
Thinking about it, couldn't the S1 actually take DDs now?
The recent rerouting has meant the problematic roads for DDs (Robertsbridge Road, Revesby Road and Downs Road) have all been removed from the route.
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Post by redbus on Jun 13, 2022 21:24:10 GMT
If the O2 stand has no issues, I wonder why the 268 never saw any occasional DD workings when at GR? They even resorted to 7.8m Solos at times when there was a shortage of longer SDs. The Belsize Village section has no issues either, as this is often used by Overground rail replacement, and diversions on the 31 as has been mentioned already. And the rest of the 268 is paralleled by the N5. My guess would be resident issues somewhere, with exceptions made for diversions and rail replacement? Would it be the turn from Hampstead High Street onto Heath Street? I rode on a 268 last week and the E200 had to cut through the opposite lane a bit when turning. I know the N5 also turns there but the amount of traffic should be much lighter at night. No the turn on Heath Street is not an issue. LTs have negotiated that corner many a time. The 268 has always been single deck, there has never been the demand for deckers to be used. As for the 187 I shall show my age as I am probably the only one on this forum who can claim to have travelled on the 187 when operated by Routemasters!!!
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Post by COBO on Jul 10, 2022 19:14:00 GMT
Does know if there’s any reason why the E7 can’t have dds on it’s route or converted to full DD?
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Post by WH241 on Jul 10, 2022 19:16:10 GMT
Does know if there’s any reason why the E7 can’t have dds on it’s route or converted to full DD? Who said it couldn't? There are lots of routes that are single decker than can take double deckers but don't have them.
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Post by BK15AZR on Jul 21, 2022 21:21:06 GMT
GAL managed to get Ee32 onto the 444 and completed the full route today, so I assume the 444 should be off the list?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 21, 2022 21:47:50 GMT
GAL managed to get Ee32 onto the 444 and completed the full route today, so I assume the 444 should be off the list? The 444 has had a DLA run on the route around 2011 IIRC; although it was not blinded. I cannot remember the exact ID as it is so much years ago, may have been posted to London Transport group or otherwise.
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