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Post by sid on Jan 15, 2018 8:29:51 GMT
Like others have said the announcement is laughably ineffective. They need to link it to the door closing buttons so that it plays about 1-2 seconds afterwards. On all my journeys on Saturday the message was played either when passengers were still boarding or long after the bus had left the bus stop. I feel like this has been implemented on the recommendation of TFL's lawyers to fend off any lawsuits. Clearly bus drivers should wait if an elderly or disabled person is making their way to a seat - from my experience the vast majority do wait. Everyone else I have no sympathy for. Buses move, thats what they do! When you board a bus you should anticipate it moving off at any time and therefore be holding or be near a handrail at all times. What about traffic lights? Should a message be played when the lights turn green and the bus moves off? The same when a bus moves after having been in a line of traffic. A lot of passengers wear headphones these days so they won't hear the message anyway. Lol, at enviroPB's papercut comment. Perhaps we should have "Beware of sharp edge" printed all round the sides of a sheet of paper! A papercut is not trivial, technically you could get sepsis from one. The announcement isn't going to increase accidents so I don't see it being removed, whether it can be linked to the closing of the doors is another matter. I don't see what the big deal is really, it's only because it was mentioned on here that I've made a point of listening for it otherwise I probably wouldn't have noticed it and I don't suppose most other passengers do? It's a bit like notices telling passengers to remain seated whilst the bus is in motion, few people take any notice but it covers the operator in the event of an accident.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 15, 2018 10:48:44 GMT
Well the media have now picked up on the social media "whirl". The BBC, Guardian, Standard and Londonist are all mentioning it.
I note that TfL Bus Alerts are now retweeting the positive social media responses they've had from people so TfL are clearly "fighting back" so as I predicted I don't see this message disappearing any time soon. I can't recall the Bus Alerts account ever retweeting other people's messages so this must be an officially endorsed course of action.
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Post by snowman on Jan 15, 2018 11:23:55 GMT
Well the media have now picked up on the social media "whirl". The BBC, Guardian, Standard and Londonist are all mentioning it. I note that TfL Bus Alerts are now retweeting the positive social media responses they've had from people so TfL are clearly "fighting back" so as I predicted I don't see this message disappearing any time soon. I can't recall the Bus Alerts account ever retweeting other people's messages so this must be an officially endorsed course of action. There appears to be some reports/tweets within the last hour regarding asking how frequently the poles and grab handles are sanitized. Could more people be infected and become ill by holding poles than fall over ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 12:10:33 GMT
Well the media have now picked up on the social media "whirl". The BBC, Guardian, Standard and Londonist are all mentioning it. I note that TfL Bus Alerts are now retweeting the positive social media responses they've had from people so TfL are clearly "fighting back" so as I predicted I don't see this message disappearing any time soon. I can't recall the Bus Alerts account ever retweeting other people's messages so this must be an officially endorsed course of action. There appears to be some reports/tweets within the last hour regarding asking how frequently the poles and grab handles are sanitized. Could more people be infected and become ill by holding poles than fall over ? It's laughable. TfL are a laughing stock.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 15, 2018 12:25:44 GMT
There appears to be some reports/tweets within the last hour regarding asking how frequently the poles and grab handles are sanitized. Could more people be infected and become ill by holding poles than fall over ? It's laughable. TfL are a laughing stock. I'm not sure they are. This is a typical social media "storm" that lasts a couple of days. It blew up over the weekend when people have time on their hands and can play games. There is rather less time for games when they are back at work. Whenever TfL have changed the I-Bus announcements someone, somewhere gets annoyed initially and there's lots of "ranting" on social media. TfL know all this. All they have to do is weather the "storm" for a couple of days and that will be that. There is a very simple fix which involves a small tweak to the message to say something like "please hold on if standing or using the stairs when the bus is moving" [1]. That removes the link as to whether the bus is standing still or not as it makes it conditional and not referring to "the bus is about to move". In comparison the "furore" over TfL selling and leasing back an entire train fleet to raise £875m lasted barely a day despite politicians being involved. I'd say that's a far more serious and pertinent issue for London's transport than an announcement on a bus. If TfL only get 1 day's flak over that they can hold out over the trial of an announcement. TfL have said on Twitter several times that it is a trial. [1] and yes that's a bit of a mouthful but I'm sure a clever person could make it shorter but not lose the context. EDIT - Tom Edwards of the BBC is having a ride on a 453 bus at the moment. Here's a tweet that will gladden TfL's heart and why they will hold out on making any changes.
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Post by paulsw2 on Jan 15, 2018 12:46:38 GMT
It's laughable. TfL are a laughing stock. I'm not sure they are. This is a typical social media "storm" that lasts a couple of days. It blew up over the weekend when people have time on their hands and can play games. There is rather less time for games when they are back at work. Whenever TfL have changed the I-Bus announcements someone, somewhere gets annoyed initially and there's lots of "ranting" on social media. TfL know all this. All they have to do is weather the "storm" for a couple of days and that will be that. There is a very simple fix which involves a small tweak to the message to say something like "please hold on if standing or using the stairs when the bus is moving" [1]. That removes the link as to whether the bus is standing still or not as it makes it conditional and not referring to "the bus is about to move". In comparison the "furore" over TfL selling and leasing back an entire train fleet to raise £875m lasted barely a day despite politicians being involved. I'd say that's a far more serious and pertinent issue for London's transport than an announcement on a bus. If TfL only get 1 day's flak over that they can hold out over the trial of an announcement. TfL have said on Twitter several times that it is a trial. [1] and yes that's a bit of a mouthful but I'm sure a clever person could make it shorter but not lose the context. EDIT - Tom Edwards of the BBC is having a ride on a 453 bus at the moment. Here's a tweet that will gladden TfL's heart and why they will hold out on making any changes. A simple " Hold Tight" announcement would suffice it worked when I was on the back over 11 years and NO injuries falls
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Post by allentc on Jan 15, 2018 13:04:21 GMT
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Post by sid on Jan 15, 2018 13:26:47 GMT
There appears to be some reports/tweets within the last hour regarding asking how frequently the poles and grab handles are sanitized. Could more people be infected and become ill by holding poles than fall over ? It's laughable. TfL are a laughing stock. Are they? I'm surprised at the furore about it quite honestly, it just blends in with the various other announcements on buses and trains most of which go in one ear and straight out the other.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 15, 2018 13:39:28 GMT
It's laughable. TfL are a laughing stock. Are they? I'm surprised at the furore about it quite honestly, it just blends in with the various other announcements on buses and trains most of which go in one ear and straight out the other. The key difference is all the other announcements on the buses get their job done perfect, which is informing the passengers of the destination and the upcoming stop. This new announcement clearly doesn't work very well at all as it never plays at the proper time. I think one way to solve this might be to sync the announcement with the closing of the front doors.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 15, 2018 14:14:18 GMT
I think one way to solve this might be to sync the announcement with the closing of the front doors. I'm surprised that wasn't done in the first place, especially where opening the doors already triggers the route and destination announcements.
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Jan 15, 2018 17:03:11 GMT
Please move down inside the bus every time I am like seriously WTF the bus is even more packed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:12:23 GMT
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Post by T.R. on Jan 15, 2018 20:51:52 GMT
A simple " Hold Tight" announcement would suffice it worked when I was on the back over 11 years and NO injuries falls Absolutely. During my CA days I would only yell "hold tight please" at Victoria Station or whenever a large group boarded. Perhaps rather than iBus announcing it, the announcement would be tied into the doors. "Doors closing, hold on tight" - IIRC First tried something with the rear doors? In comparison the "furore" over TfL selling and leasing back an entire train fleet to raise £875m lasted barely a day despite politicians being involved. I'd say that's a far more serious and pertinent issue for London's transport than an announcement on a bus. If TfL only get 1 day's flak over that they can hold out over the trial of an announcement. TfL have said on Twitter several times that it is a trial. Most likely because the general public are more easily exposed to bus /train announcements than giving two hoots over the financing of the trains. Although it is a concerning issue in and of itself.
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 15, 2018 20:56:05 GMT
Everyone talking about it has certainly raised the profile. I'm not sure they are. This is a typical social media "storm" that lasts a couple of days. It blew up over the weekend when people have time on their hands and can play games. There is rather less time for games when they are back at work. Whenever TfL have changed the I-Bus announcements someone, somewhere gets annoyed initially and there's lots of "ranting" on social media. TfL know all this. All they have to do is weather the "storm" for a couple of days and that will be that. There is a very simple fix which involves a small tweak to the message to say something like "please hold on if standing or using the stairs when the bus is moving" [1]. That removes the link as to whether the bus is standing still or not as it makes it conditional and not referring to "the bus is about to move". In comparison the "furore" over TfL selling and leasing back an entire train fleet to raise £875m lasted barely a day despite politicians being involved. I'd say that's a far more serious and pertinent issue for London's transport than an announcement on a bus. If TfL only get 1 day's flak over that they can hold out over the trial of an announcement. TfL have said on Twitter several times that it is a trial. [1] and yes that's a bit of a mouthful but I'm sure a clever person could make it shorter but not lose the context. EDIT - Tom Edwards of the BBC is having a ride on a 453 bus at the moment. Here's a tweet that will gladden TfL's heart and why they will hold out on making any changes. A simple " Hold Tight" announcement would suffice it worked when I was on the back over 11 years and NO injuries falls
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Post by vjaska on Jan 15, 2018 21:22:54 GMT
A simple " Hold Tight" announcement would suffice it worked when I was on the back over 11 years and NO injuries falls Absolutely. During my CA days I would only yell "hold tight please" at Victoria Station or whenever a large group boarded. Perhaps rather than iBus announcing it, the announcement would be tied into the doors. "Doors closing, hold on tight" - IIRC First tried something with the rear doors I think it was something like, “Stand clear, doors opening” from memory. We also had the “Bus stopping at next bus stop, please stand well clear of doors” announcement on London Central & General buses between 51 & 03 reg which activated not long after the bell was pressed.
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