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Post by wirewiper on Feb 3, 2018 18:12:19 GMT
This thread was inspired by the discovery that one of the local bus routes in Dunkerque, France, operates over the border into Adinkerk, Belgium. DK'bus Marine route 2b operates hourly, crossing the border at Bray-Dunes; and there is a €1 surcharge for international journeys!
There must be many other local bus routes close to International borders that just happen to terminate in a different country - which ones do you know of? Just to be clear, I am referring to purely local stage-carriage bus services, not pre-bookable International coach operations such as Eurolines or Flixbus.
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Post by planesandtrains on Feb 3, 2018 20:32:46 GMT
There are Regiobus Bayern services that cross over the boarder into Austria, no surcharge though.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 4, 2018 1:02:09 GMT
There are "international" services from Lille in France across into Belgium. I know this because I checked them out before I visited Lille a few years ago. I believe De Lijn in Belgium also have a number of different international services depending on the specific region in Belgium. I imagine places like Luxembourg and Lichtenstein also have considerable cross border services. There are also a number of international tram services in existence - Basel in Switzerland is one such location I believe. There must also be some cross border bus services between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland although there are special arrangements for the Island of Ireland. Malc McDonald's rather excellent Random Streets blog has featured a few places with international bus services. randomstreets.blogspot.co.uk/ |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 4, 2018 9:13:27 GMT
Thank you for those, yes in his article about Brugge published last December Malc specifically mentions the 42 (Brugge, B - Breskens, NL) which is jointly operated be the Belgian company De Lijn and the Dutch company Connexions. He also mentions the peculiar situation in the Dutch town of Baarle-Nassau which, due to landowning treatoes going back to medieval times, has a number of Belgian enclaves within the town, some of which in themselves contain Dutch enclaves. A bus journey through the town crosses the border several times! Buses operate to Tilburg, NL (Veolia route 132) and to Turnhout, B (De Lijn route 460, which displays the Belgian name for the town, Baarle-Hertog). randomstreets.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/baarle-nassau-netherlands-or-baarle.html |
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Post by kmkcheng on Feb 4, 2018 9:31:38 GMT
Salzburg in Austria has a bus service that crosses the border into Germany to the town of Freilassing. Also I seem to recall a bus service in the south of France that links Nice with the town of Menton and travels via Monaco
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 4, 2018 9:33:43 GMT
There was also a link through from Malc's website to this little gem, listing all cross-border local train and bus services in Belgium. The full site is in Dutch but there are good summaries in English, French, German and Romanian. www.grenstreinbus.be/summary-en.php |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Feb 6, 2018 11:50:18 GMT
Strasbourg bus route 21 crosses the border to the next door town of Kehl, Germany. It's a pleasingly mundane journey.
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 6, 2018 17:48:24 GMT
Strasbourg bus route 21 crosses the border to the next door town of Kehl, Germany. It's a pleasingly mundane journey. A little off-topic for this forum, but one of Strasbourg's tram routes also operates into Kiel. The standard flat fare of €1.60 applies. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 6, 2018 19:13:25 GMT
I guess another example of international bus journeys concerns the few special routes that run from Hong Kong into Mainland China (Shenzhen Bay Point which is the immigration border point). I appreciate China controls HK but the border controls and immigration do differ between both countries.
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Post by bn12cny on Feb 10, 2018 6:15:13 GMT
I guess another example of international bus journeys concerns the few special routes that run from Hong Kong into Mainland China (Shenzhen Bay Point which is the immigration border point). I appreciate China controls HK but the border controls and immigration do differ between both countries. Also there is a subway from Hong King to Shenzhen, or a boat from Hong Kong to Macau which is really a bus service |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 10, 2018 10:43:00 GMT
I guess another example of international bus journeys concerns the few special routes that run from Hong Kong into Mainland China (Shenzhen Bay Point which is the immigration border point). I appreciate China controls HK but the border controls and immigration do differ between both countries. Also there is a subway from Hong King to Shenzhen, or a boat from Hong Kong to Macau which is really a bus service Not sure I quite agree about the Metro - the MTR runs to both Lo Wu and Lok Ma Chau but passengers have to alight and pass through the border controls. The Shenzhen Metro is available on the other side. The Metros don't work through but, of course, there are a few main line trains from HK to mainland China per day. Later this year the HK Express link will open which links HK with Guangzhou. Double checking the details it looks like mainland High Speed Trains will also use the link to give through services into HK. |
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Post by bn12cny on Feb 10, 2018 14:57:47 GMT
Also there is a subway from Hong King to Shenzhen, or a boat from Hong Kong to Macau which is really a bus service Not sure I quite agree about the Metro - the MTR runs to both Lo Wu and Lok Ma Chau but passengers have to alight and pass through the border controls. The Shenzhen Metro is available on the other side. The Metros don't work through but, of course, there are a few main line trains from HK to mainland China per day. Later this year the HK Express link will open which links HK with Guangzhou. Double checking the details it looks like mainland High Speed Trains will also use the link to give through services into HK. Personally I would not catch the main line train from Hong Kong to mainland China, it’s more expensive and slow, the easiest way to get from Beijing to Hong Kong by train is to catch high speed train to Shenzhen then Metro or Bus, this train takes around 9hrs whilst the train to Hong Kong takes around 24hrs and more expensive! Personally when I go to Hong Kong I just catch the plane, easier and cheaper however flying in China normally a lot of turbulence and close of airspace!!! Here is the link to Hong Kong trains www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/beijing-hongkong.htm |
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Post by jay38a on Feb 14, 2018 21:56:01 GMT
There are "international" services from Lille in France across into Belgium. I know this because I checked them out before I visited Lille a few years ago. I believe De Lijn in Belgium also have a number of different international services depending on the specific region in Belgium. I imagine places like Luxembourg and Lichtenstein also have considerable cross border services. There are also a number of international tram services in existence - Basel in Switzerland is one such location I believe. There must also be some cross border bus services between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland although there are special arrangements for the Island of Ireland. Malc McDonald's rather excellent Random Streets blog has featured a few places with international bus services. randomstreets.blogspot.co.uk/Yes there are numerous local cross border routes between NI and ROI. If the Route is run by Ulsterbus then Sterling and Euros are valid and change given in what ever currency you pay with but if it’s Bus Eireann then and you pay in sterling, you get your change in euros!!! |
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Post by riverside on Feb 26, 2018 15:41:15 GMT
There are "international" services from Lille in France across into Belgium. I know this because I checked them out before I visited Lille a few years ago. I believe De Lijn in Belgium also have a number of different international services depending on the specific region in Belgium. I imagine places like Luxembourg and Lichtenstein also have considerable cross border services. There are also a number of international tram services in existence - Basel in Switzerland is one such location I believe. There must also be some cross border bus services between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland although there are special arrangements for the Island of Ireland. Malc McDonald's rather excellent Random Streets blog has featured a few places with international bus services. randomstreets.blogspot.co.uk/Yes there are numerous local cross border routes between NI and ROI. If the Route is run by Ulsterbus then Sterling and Euros are valid and change given in what ever currency you pay with but if it’s Bus Eireann then and you pay in sterling, you get your change in euros!!! Ulsterbus Route 95 runs between Enniskillen and Clones. The vast majority of the route is in Northern Ireland but it crosses the border into the Republic of Ireland as it approaches the outskirts of Clones. When the troubles were ongoing it was not safe to have the security checkpoints at the actual border, so in those days the 95 ran for several miles through a bit of a no mans land. The security point was back from the border at Kilturk where armed soldiers would board the bus and walk up and down the aisle. Sometimes as the bus passed through Newtownbutler it could be stopped again for another security check. The 95 is the only bus I have been on that has been patrolled by soldiers. Never happened to me on the Western Avenue! Nowadays the Ulsterbus 95 runs without any problems. |
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Post by N230UD on Feb 26, 2018 20:47:04 GMT
There are also a number of international tram services in existence - Basel in Switzerland is one such location I believe. A bit off-topic as its trams, but its interesting to not that the Basel tram system now operates in 3 different countries. It had an extension into Germany in 2014, and recently had its extension into France opened. Geneva, also in Switzerland, also currently has an extension into France under construction. I was under the impression that international trams were very rare. I can't think of any others outside of Switzerland and the one in Strausbourg. Going back to buses, I can't think of any other that those already mentioned. I've been doing a little research this afternoon but can't really discover any more. I was looking in the Eastern Europe area, but can't really see any. For example, i've looked at the Polish city of Szczecin, which is right near the German border but there do not appear to be any. Interestingly, there is a town with the Polish/German border going right through it. It is known as Görlitz in German and Zgorzelec in Polish. There appears to be only one bridge between the two countries (evidence perhaps that Poland is relatively new to the Shengen Area). There is a rail service connecting the town, but only 2-hourly. The Görlitz tram does not go to the Polish side. There is however bus route P, operating roughly hourly between Görlitz Station in Germany and Zgorzelec Station in Poland. The only timetable online is a scan of a paper copy, seen here: www.vgg-goerlitz.de/uploads/vgg/schedule/10/linie-p.pdf. Appears to be operated by VGG-Görlitz (part of Transdev). A map here shows the local bus network, including the P into Poland www.vgg-goerlitz.de/uploads/vgg/media_document/3/original.pdfEDIT: A brief Google image search suggests the P is sub-contracted and operated with a strange Renault minibus: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linia_Miejska_Bus_G%C3%B6rlitz.jpgI doubt many European countries outside the Shengen Area have international local bus services. |
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