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Post by snoggle on May 11, 2018 16:42:20 GMT
I don't know who was responsible for drafting the new timetable for the North / West London lines but it's dreadful. All sorts of weird gaps in the service on the peak shoulders, trains being turned at South Acton in the afternoon, 20+ min gaps to / from Richmond, 12 then 3 min gaps east of Willesden Junction. Probably worst of all there is a 15 min gap between trains around 1730 - the crowds at Highbury and Islington for the 1751 (previous train at 1736) will be enormous. You then get a 5, 5 and 6 min gap between the next 3 e/b trains. This is lunatic. Clearly they're trying to squeeze maximum use out of a constrained train fleet but the timetable is a mess. Yes there are more Stratford - Willesden - C Junction through trains but what a price to pay in terms of wonky headways. Also no GOBLIN timetable yet - I wonder if a frantic rewrite has been required because the class 710s aren't yet in service? I think TfL had expected to abolish the PIXC buster trains that run in the peaks on the GOBLIN from this new timetable but not a single 710 has been approved to run on NR metals yet due to problems with the software development on the trains. (The software is a brand new build for the 710s onwards, the 345s is an adaptation of older software). Looks like the 0530 Liv St - Enfield Town (Sat only) train will resume its old route of running via Clapton and South Tottenham now the GOBLIN electrification works are complete.
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Post by redexpress on May 11, 2018 18:04:35 GMT
I don't know who was responsible for drafting the new timetable for the North / West London lines but it's dreadful. All sorts of weird gaps in the service on the peak shoulders, trains being turned at South Acton in the afternoon, 20+ min gaps to / from Richmond, 12 then 3 min gaps east of Willesden Junction. Probably worst of all there is a 15 min gap between trains around 1730 - the crowds at Highbury and Islington for the 1751 (previous train at 1736) will be enormous. You then get a 5, 5 and 6 min gap between the next 3 e/b trains. This is lunatic. Clearly they're trying to squeeze maximum use out of a constrained train fleet but the timetable is a mess. Yes there are more Stratford - Willesden - C Junction through trains but what a price to pay in terms of wonky headways. That is utter madness Highbury can barely cope with the crowds with the nice even 7-8 minute headways we have now. How on earth is a 15-minute gap in the peak of the peak going to work? Perhaps whoever designed this mess of a timetable should be put in charge of crowd management at Highbury in the pm peak.
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Post by MoEnviro on May 11, 2018 18:16:21 GMT
I don't know who was responsible for drafting the new timetable for the North / West London lines but it's dreadful. All sorts of weird gaps in the service on the peak shoulders, trains being turned at South Acton in the afternoon, 20+ min gaps to / from Richmond, 12 then 3 min gaps east of Willesden Junction. Probably worst of all there is a 15 min gap between trains around 1730 - the crowds at Highbury and Islington for the 1751 (previous train at 1736) will be enormous. You then get a 5, 5 and 6 min gap between the next 3 e/b trains. This is lunatic. Clearly they're trying to squeeze maximum use out of a constrained train fleet but the timetable is a mess. Yes there are more Stratford - Willesden - C Junction through trains but what a price to pay in terms of wonky headways. That is utter madness Highbury can barely cope with the crowds with the nice even 7-8 minute headways we have now. How on earth is a 15-minute gap in the peak of the peak going to work? Perhaps whoever designed this mess of a timetable should be put in charge of crowd management at Highbury in the pm peak. Just amazed at the variable running time between stations across the whole route, surely there isn’t that many conflicts with other trains??
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Post by ADH45258 on May 11, 2018 18:40:42 GMT
I don't know who was responsible for drafting the new timetable for the North / West London lines but it's dreadful. All sorts of weird gaps in the service on the peak shoulders, trains being turned at South Acton in the afternoon, 20+ min gaps to / from Richmond, 12 then 3 min gaps east of Willesden Junction. Probably worst of all there is a 15 min gap between trains around 1730 - the crowds at Highbury and Islington for the 1751 (previous train at 1736) will be enormous. You then get a 5, 5 and 6 min gap between the next 3 e/b trains. This is lunatic. Clearly they're trying to squeeze maximum use out of a constrained train fleet but the timetable is a mess. Yes there are more Stratford - Willesden - C Junction through trains but what a price to pay in terms of wonky headways. Also no GOBLIN timetable yet - I wonder if a frantic rewrite has been required because the class 710s aren't yet in service? I think TfL had expected to abolish the PIXC buster trains that run in the peaks on the GOBLIN from this new timetable but not a single 710 has been approved to run on NR metals yet due to problems with the software development on the trains. (The software is a brand new build for the 710s onwards, the 345s is an adaptation of older software). Looks like the 0530 Liv St - Enfield Town (Sat only) train will resume its old route of running via Clapton and South Tottenham now the GOBLIN electrification works are complete. Once 710s are also in service on the Watford line, the 378s released may solve timetabling issues.
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Post by snoggle on May 11, 2018 18:45:11 GMT
That is utter madness Highbury can barely cope with the crowds with the nice even 7-8 minute headways we have now. How on earth is a 15-minute gap in the peak of the peak going to work? Perhaps whoever designed this mess of a timetable should be put in charge of crowd management at Highbury in the pm peak. Just amazed at the variable running time between stations across the whole route, surely there isn’t that many conflicts with other trains?? If there is variability off peak then that will be to allow for some freight workings. However it makes little sense in the peaks when freight workings are banned.
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Post by snoggle on May 19, 2018 12:42:01 GMT
TfL have eventually loaded the Barking - Gospel Oak timetable to their website. Their published timetable removes all of the peak time workings so is presumably designed for the 4 car EMU service. However the published train workings on Open Train Times show all of the peak time workings retained. I assume Open Train Times is actually correct given no class 710s have run on UK metals yet. Nonetheless what a mess! I found this on the Barking Gospel Oak user group website. Explains what's happened with the timetables.
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Post by smoothcriminal on May 21, 2018 9:40:14 GMT
Tfl had a bit in the metro about the peak time extras " may be" running but not on the official timetable.
Suppose this gives then a get out clause.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:57:50 GMT
The South Acton shorts exist due to the poor temporary interface with the new District Line WTT. The peak hour gaps suggest peak pathings for freight, which has been observed.
The reliability of this new TT borders on non-existent. Having used the 1600 CLJ ex.Brondesbury a few times since May, the service has ranged from 10L to station skipping to curtailed short, never once ran as timetabled.
That said I have used the 1846 & 1859 Richmond ex.Brondesbury and they have all 100% fine, even having to wait time at Gunnersbury.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 15, 2018 21:46:40 GMT
I agree the new London Overground headways are stupid, there were a few bad headways before, but it is even worse now, in some cases trains are left stabled outside Stratford for 5 mins waiting for an available platform, then there is a long gap behind, it really doesn't make sense. I can only think its done to accommodate drivers duties.
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Post by snowman on May 17, 2019 9:46:16 GMT
The late delivery (should have been 5 5car units by now ) means that the enhanced 4 trains per hour from this weekend (instead of existing 3 per hour) is postponed. Not exactly news to those following this, but I wonder why TfL waited until 2 days before the timetable change to announce it
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Post by snoggle on May 17, 2019 10:43:17 GMT
The late delivery (should have been 5 5car units by now ) means that the enhanced 4 trains per hour from this weekend (instead of existing 3 per hour) is postponed. Not exactly news to those following this, but I wonder why TfL waited until 2 days before the timetable change to announce it. The Watford line is going to use 4 car class 710s, not 5 car ones. The 5 cars are for NLL/WLL services. To be fair TfL announced it a few days ago. They also said on their Overground timetables page that an "interim" timetable would be published on 15 May and it was - I checked. Posters have also gone up at stations and the Watford Rail User Group have had a briefing from TfL. I've seen the social media coverage. OK the week before a timetable change isn't exactly ideal but it might concentrate the minds of passengers who might be thinking about the new timetable starting.
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Post by kmkcheng on May 20, 2019 13:45:56 GMT
The late delivery (should have been 5 5car units by now ) means that the enhanced 4 trains per hour from this weekend (instead of existing 3 per hour) is postponed. Not exactly news to those following this, but I wonder why TfL waited until 2 days before the timetable change to announce it This has left an odd timetable with service gaps on the Watford line as 12, 18 and 30 minutes every hour
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Post by ADH45258 on May 20, 2019 14:30:25 GMT
The late delivery (should have been 5 5car units by now ) means that the enhanced 4 trains per hour from this weekend (instead of existing 3 per hour) is postponed. Not exactly news to those following this, but I wonder why TfL waited until 2 days before the timetable change to announce it This has left an odd timetable with service gaps on the Watford line as 12, 18 and 30 minutes every hour What is the point of introducing this interim timetable? I understand this is likely to be the new timetable with one train removed per hour, but it leaves 30 minute gaps in the service. There is the Bakerloo Line, but this Overgrouns route is relied upon at stations between Watford High Street and Headstone Lane, and can get quite busy (hence the aim to increase to 4tph). It would have made a lot more sense to simply reinstate the old timetable until more trains are available. This would be the same number of trains per hour, but spaced evenly to every 20 minutes.
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Post by snoggle on May 20, 2019 15:49:12 GMT
This has left an odd timetable with service gaps on the Watford line as 12, 18 and 30 minutes every hour What is the point of introducing this interim timetable? I understand this is likely to be the new timetable with one train removed per hour, but it leaves 30 minute gaps in the service. There is the Bakerloo Line, but this Overgrouns route is relied upon at stations between Watford High Street and Headstone Lane, and can get quite busy (hence the aim to increase to 4tph). It would have made a lot more sense to simply reinstate the old timetable until more trains are available. This would be the same number of trains per hour, but spaced evenly to every 20 minutes. I agree that 30 minute gaps are not good. However moving to the new timetable structure now allows two things. Firstly it provides a clear test train path for 710s to run in. Secondly it allows the fourth path per hour to be filled in as soon as trains are available. If the old timetable had been reverted to then this would have meant a rewrite of the Bakerloo Line timetable and would also mean a potentially long wait, once new trains are ready, to bring in the 4 tph timetable to Watford. The opportunities to change LU timetables (and rosters) don't come up very often and we can't escape the reality that the Bakerloo and Watford DC timetables are very close knit.
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Post by kmkcheng on May 20, 2019 16:13:39 GMT
What is the point of introducing this interim timetable? I understand this is likely to be the new timetable with one train removed per hour, but it leaves 30 minute gaps in the service. There is the Bakerloo Line, but this Overgrouns route is relied upon at stations between Watford High Street and Headstone Lane, and can get quite busy (hence the aim to increase to 4tph). It would have made a lot more sense to simply reinstate the old timetable until more trains are available. This would be the same number of trains per hour, but spaced evenly to every 20 minutes. I agree that 30 minute gaps are not good. However moving to the new timetable structure now allows two things. Firstly it provides a clear test train path for 710s to run in. Secondly it allows the fourth path per hour to be filled in as soon as trains are available. If the old timetable had been reverted to then this would have meant a rewrite of the Bakerloo Line timetable and would also mean a potentially long wait, once new trains are ready, to bring in the 4 tph timetable to Watford. The opportunities to change LU timetables (and rosters) don't come up very often and we can't escape the reality that the Bakerloo and Watford DC timetables are very close knit. Precisely and also there has been big change to the timetables on the WCML so the new paths into Euston have been set. I wonder if it is possible to use the 4th path to run a service up to Willesden Junction. At least this way it removes that 30 minute gap out of Euston and to allow a connection with the Bakerloo line so passengers can continue their journey for stations up to Harrow.
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