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Post by snoggle on May 19, 2018 11:48:02 GMT
TfL have released the updated May 2018 version of the all rail services map into the wild content.tfl.gov.uk/london-rail-and-tube-services-map.pdfLet's just say it's a tad involved (!) as it shows the changes to train service patterns that kick in from tomorrow *plus* all of the peak / weekend variants e.g. C2C via Stratford and into Liv Street. There is also a revision that shows some but not all of the street level out of station interchange links. Seems a bit inconsistent to me but no different from what TfL do with the tube map. |
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Post by galwhv69 on May 19, 2018 11:56:57 GMT
I would have found it better if TFL Rail had been assigned a different colour as there is already GWR,Southeastern & Piccadilly using dark blue
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 19, 2018 13:00:41 GMT
Something that I find very weird is the Heathrow Express line weaving in and out of the TfL Rail line in the west, the express leaves the Oyster Zone just to come back into it. Couldn't it have just been a straight line parallel to the TfL Rail?
The obvious answer may seem that it's to deter people from using Oyster card on it, but all its stations are shown in the Oyster boundary anyway. Also noteworthy is that there's still no indication of the Oyster premium on that section at all.
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Post by rhys on May 19, 2018 13:30:59 GMT
Interesting to see the Thameslink changes around King’s Cross and St Pancras have been implemented too.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 19, 2018 13:34:43 GMT
I would have found it better if TFL Rail had been assigned a different colour as there is already GWR,Southeastern & Piccadilly using dark blue With many rail franchises having changed operator and branding since the first TFL rail map was introduced, they should change some of the colours around: LNWR lime for Southern Southern green for GWR GWR indigo for Southeastern Southeastern blue for SWR SWR red for Greater Anglia Greater Anglia grey for ThamesLink ThamesLink magenta for Heathrow Express Heathrow Express turquoise for Chiltern Chiltern lilac for Great Northern Great Northern gold for LNWR. old Heathrow Connect coral for Gatwick Express C2C to remain unchanged. |
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Post by ADH45258 on May 19, 2018 13:37:02 GMT
TfL have released the updated May 2018 version of the all rail services map into the wild content.tfl.gov.uk/london-rail-and-tube-services-map.pdfLet's just say it's a tad involved (!) as it shows the changes to train service patterns that kick in from tomorrow *plus* all of the peak / weekend variants e.g. C2C via Stratford and into Liv Street. There is also a revision that shows some but not all of the street level out of station interchange links. Seems a bit inconsistent to me but no different from what TfL do with the tube map. Surprising that the C2C services to Liverpool Street have been added, but not the Chiltern services into Paddington. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 19, 2018 14:46:11 GMT
TfL have released the updated May 2018 version of the all rail services map into the wild content.tfl.gov.uk/london-rail-and-tube-services-map.pdfLet's just say it's a tad involved (!) as it shows the changes to train service patterns that kick in from tomorrow *plus* all of the peak / weekend variants e.g. C2C via Stratford and into Liv Street. There is also a revision that shows some but not all of the street level out of station interchange links. Seems a bit inconsistent to me but no different from what TfL do with the tube map. Surprising that the C2C services to Liverpool Street have been added, but not the Chiltern services into Paddington. The Chiltern service operates once a day as well as being a parliamentary service, whereas when the c2c service operates throughout the day on weekends and a couple of times during the weekday and is therefore more likely to be of use to passengers. |
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Post by redexpress on May 19, 2018 15:58:33 GMT
Something that I find very weird is the Heathrow Express line weaving in and out of the TfL Rail line in the west, the express leaves the Oyster Zone just to come back into it. Couldn't it have just been a straight line parallel to the TfL Rail? The obvious answer may seem that it's to deter people from using Oyster card on it, but all its stations are shown in the Oyster boundary anyway. Also noteworthy is that there's still no indication of the Oyster premium on that section at all. The fact that the line leaves zone 6 tells you that you can't use a Z1-6 Travelcard on it (whether Oyster or paper), unlike the TfL Rail service. Although I agree it would be good to make the point about premium fares more explicitly. |
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Post by snoggle on May 19, 2018 19:06:13 GMT
Something that I find very weird is the Heathrow Express line weaving in and out of the TfL Rail line in the west, the express leaves the Oyster Zone just to come back into it. Couldn't it have just been a straight line parallel to the TfL Rail? The obvious answer may seem that it's to deter people from using Oyster card on it, but all its stations are shown in the Oyster boundary anyway. Also noteworthy is that there's still no indication of the Oyster premium on that section at all. The fact that the line leaves zone 6 tells you that you can't use a Z1-6 Travelcard on it (whether Oyster or paper), unlike the TfL Rail service. Although I agree it would be good to make the point about premium fares more explicitly. You beat me to it. The other point is that HEX will accept Oyster and Contactless from September this year BUT obviously the fares will not be zonal nor capped. The map appears to be a compromise to try to cover this later development. I do agree that *something* should be said about different premium fares applying into Heathrow. I do think TfL have cocked up here by not making it thunderingly clear that single fares on PAYG are very high on the TfL Rail service. |
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Post by smoothcriminal on May 21, 2018 9:38:05 GMT
And many train enthusiasts moan about tfl not including national rail on the tube map.
What an absolute mess that is.
Imagine a tourist in London trying to decipher that.
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Post by snowman on May 21, 2018 11:01:38 GMT
And many train enthusiasts moan about tfl not including national rail on the tube map. What an absolute mess that is. Imagine a tourist in London trying to decipher that. It would be more useful if there was a consistent inner London map (lets say zones 1 and 2) for tourists, and visitors (only used in the area covered), but showing everything. And a separate all London map (but I would move boundary out a bit to M25), I would change the start-stop zones 7-9 so the went all the way around as concentric rings, even if they were narrow in places and no stations on a line fell on it. The way it currently handles places like Thames Ditton and Hampton Court (outside London borough boundaries) compared to nearby Esher is poor unless you know local quirks of the mapping. |
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Post by ADH45258 on May 21, 2018 17:23:40 GMT
And many train enthusiasts moan about tfl not including national rail on the tube map. What an absolute mess that is. Imagine a tourist in London trying to decipher that. Would be useful to include ThamesLink on the tube map, especially the core section through central London. The ThamesLink route always seems very underused and quiet compared to alternative services, as there is little TFL publicity about it. Similarly with other national rail services in central London, e.g. Southeastern from Charing Cross/Cannon Street to London Bridge, SWR from Waterloo to Vauxhall, Great Northern into Moorgate. The best solution would be to print a small version of the Tube & Rail map, available in all TFL stations (tube/overground/dlr/crossrail etc). Slightly larger than the tube map, so that the detail is clear but is more compact than the current fold-out leaflet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 11:41:52 GMT
Surprising that the C2C services to Liverpool Street have been added, but not the Chiltern services into Paddington. The Chiltern service operates once a day as well as being a parliamentary service, whereas when the c2c service operates throughout the day on weekends and a couple of times during the weekday and is therefore more likely to be of use to passengers. I cannot find the C2C service that runs between Fenchurch Street and Stratford beyond though. The missing Chiltern service appears to be more frequent.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 15, 2018 11:54:56 GMT
The Chiltern service operates once a day as well as being a parliamentary service, whereas when the c2c service operates throughout the day on weekends and a couple of times during the weekday and is therefore more likely to be of use to passengers. I cannot find the C2C service that runs between Fenchurch Street and Stratford beyond though. The missing Chiltern service appears to be more frequent.
I should have made myself a bit more clear  I was referring solely to the service to Liverpool Street I don't think the service that runs between Stratford and Fenchurch Street even runs anymore, I've not even seen the service in the flesh. I know a few years ago the plan was to run trains via Stratford instead of West Ham to cater for Westfield shopping but that seems to have quietly dwindled down in favour of the trains just continuing to Liverpool Street instead. I don't even know why this is on the rail map  |
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I was referring solely to the service to Liverpool Street