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Post by SILENCED on Sept 28, 2020 12:24:09 GMT
What you have to be careful of is extending journey times, as you have more people getting on and off at each stop especially if you also reduce frequencies - you then have a recipe for driving custom away. That's why the bendybuses were so good for routes like this with their speedy open boarding and alighting through three doors. It's just a pity that fare evasion was so rife - although pass holders did not need to touch in or show proof of travel which led to perceptions that the problem was much worse than it actually was. What the bendybuses weren’t great at is the experience onboard - many people complained about the cattle truck like nature on board and to an extent, they’ve got a point especially on even average length routes. Personally, there place was on short, special routes like the 507 & 521, shuttles for events & limited stopping routes where passengers are not constantly boarding. Well passengers have got used to cattle truck like vehicles since then, so should no longer be an issue.
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Post by snowman on Oct 9, 2020 20:46:31 GMT
Apparently Lothian have 30 new Volvo B8RLE - MCV evora 13.2m single decks on order, and first ones now delivered.
No publicity as arrival has coincided with the extra ADL redundancies, and having a fanfare about Egyptian buses whilst Scottish bus manufacturer struggles isn’t seen as good PR in Scotland.
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Post by LJ17THF on Oct 9, 2020 21:05:06 GMT
Apparently Lothian have 30 new Volvo B8RLE - MCV evora 13.2m single decks on order, and first ones now delivered. No publicity as arrival has coincided with the extra ADL redundancies, and having a fanfare about Egyptian buses whilst Scottish bus manufacturer struggles isn’t seen as good PR in Scotland. I presume they didn't want to really purchase them, they already have a few B8RLE's on Wright Eclipse 3 bodywork at that same length, if Wright still had it available, they definitely would have bought them again, but unfortunately they aren't here anymore . They probably purchased they for fleet standardisation, or to fulfill their length standards, ADL don't have a two-axle bus that long.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 10, 2020 5:08:42 GMT
Apparently Lothian have 30 new Volvo B8RLE - MCV evora 13.2m single decks on order, and first ones now delivered. No publicity as arrival has coincided with the extra ADL redundancies, and having a fanfare about Egyptian buses whilst Scottish bus manufacturer struggles isn’t seen as good PR in Scotland. I presume they didn't want to really purchase them, they already have a few B8RLE's on Wright Eclipse 3 bodywork at that same length, if Wright still had it available, they definitely would have bought them again, but unfortunately they aren't here anymore . They probably purchased they for fleet standardisation, or to fulfill their length standards, ADL don't have a two-axle bus that long. Indeed, I understand that Lothian lost interest in purchasing them in the wake of the Covid crisis but found it was too late to cancel the order.
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Post by snowman on Oct 10, 2020 6:08:13 GMT
I presume they didn't want to really purchase them, they already have a few B8RLE's on Wright Eclipse 3 bodywork at that same length, if Wright still had it available, they definitely would have bought them again, but unfortunately they aren't here anymore . They probably purchased they for fleet standardisation, or to fulfill their length standards, ADL don't have a two-axle bus that long. Indeed, I understand that Lothian lost interest in purchasing them in the wake of the Covid crisis but found it was too late to cancel the order. There are 60-70 of the older B7 chassis single decks, so only replacing about half these. I am guessing they were ordered last year when Lothian was keen to replace any bus that wasn’t at least euroV
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Post by TB123 on Nov 6, 2020 19:15:33 GMT
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Post by snowman on Mar 19, 2021 21:26:54 GMT
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Post by snowman on Jun 25, 2021 20:14:02 GMT
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Post by greenboy on Jun 25, 2021 21:14:38 GMT
They look great, shame TfL can't come up with something imaginative for electric buses. youtu.be/wW7j1WIt7UU
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 25, 2021 23:14:51 GMT
They look great, shame TfL can't come up with something imaginative for electric buses. youtu.be/wW7j1WIt7UUWhat imaginative thing does TFL need to come up with? We have well over 300 electrics on our streets now with more than 100 more joining them by the end of the year. These buses are nothing special now, they don't need to be advertised. New tech needs to stop being advertised everywhere once it becomes mainstream, which is very much the case with electrics now. Imagine if the Hybrids leaf livery was still being applied to every Hybrid around, everyone would probably be sick of it.
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Post by snowman on Jun 26, 2021 7:43:16 GMT
Appears I got it wrong with the StreetAir, as all 6 at Lothian have been in store for months since Covid fleet reductions. However this tweet by Lothian suggests they will be modified and returned to service soon The reference to converting electric buses to diesel, is not correct, but the 15 hybrids (from 2011) fleet 201-215 were converted to diesel a while ago. A few other operators also converted unreliable complicated early hybrids to full diesel as well)
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Post by greenboy on Jun 26, 2021 8:37:14 GMT
They look great, shame TfL can't come up with something imaginative for electric buses. youtu.be/wW7j1WIt7UUWhat imaginative thing does TFL need to come up with? We have well over 300 electrics on our streets now with more than 100 more joining them by the end of the year. These buses are nothing special now, they don't need to be advertised. New tech needs to stop being advertised everywhere once it becomes mainstream, which is very much the case with electrics now. Imagine if the Hybrids leaf livery was still being applied to every Hybrid around, everyone would probably be sick of it. Brighton & Hove for example have 54 electric buses (with a diesel generator) and they're all in their own distinctive livery. Only TfL would invest in zero emissions buses and not bother to advertise their merits.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 26, 2021 10:33:25 GMT
What imaginative thing does TFL need to come up with? We have well over 300 electrics on our streets now with more than 100 more joining them by the end of the year. These buses are nothing special now, they don't need to be advertised. New tech needs to stop being advertised everywhere once it becomes mainstream, which is very much the case with electrics now. Imagine if the Hybrids leaf livery was still being applied to every Hybrid around, everyone would probably be sick of it. Brighton & Hove for example have 54 electric buses (with a diesel generator) and they're all in their own distinctive livery. Only TfL would invest in zero emissions buses and not bother to advertise their merits. Isn't an electric bus with a diesel generator a Hybrid bus if the generator provides electricity to move the bus? TfL have bigger fish to fry instead of showing every sod on the pavement the bus is brand new and electric, as I said they have over 100 coming in just the next few months alone and it'll be a waste of time and a waste of money to drape these and every existing electric bus in a livery. Brighton and Hove have 54, London will have over 300, there's just no comparison in numbers. The bus stops already have advertising on the new electric buses that gets the message across well. The first few electrics on the 507, 521, 98, 312 and H98 all had liveries to show off the new technology being used but now electric technology is pretty much standard. Do you think every Euro6 bus should be running around in a livery showing how good they are for the environment compared to a Euro5?
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Post by greenboy on Jun 26, 2021 11:26:52 GMT
Brighton & Hove for example have 54 electric buses (with a diesel generator) and they're all in their own distinctive livery. Only TfL would invest in zero emissions buses and not bother to advertise their merits. Isn't an electric bus with a diesel generator a Hybrid bus if the generator provides electricity to move the bus? TfL have bigger fish to fry instead of showing every sod on the pavement the bus is brand new and electric, as I said they have over 100 coming in just the next few months alone and it'll be a waste of time and a waste of money to drape these and every existing electric bus in a livery. Brighton and Hove have 54, London will have over 300, there's just no comparison in numbers. The bus stops already have advertising on the new electric buses that gets the message across well. The first few electrics on the 507, 521, 98, 312 and H98 all had liveries to show off the new technology being used but now electric technology is pretty much standard. Do you think every Euro6 bus should be running around in a livery showing how good they are for the environment compared to a Euro5? The B&H buses run in all electric mode through the city centre, something that is worth advertising but TfL clearly have no interest in promoting bus travel.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 26, 2021 11:50:42 GMT
Isn't an electric bus with a diesel generator a Hybrid bus if the generator provides electricity to move the bus? TfL have bigger fish to fry instead of showing every sod on the pavement the bus is brand new and electric, as I said they have over 100 coming in just the next few months alone and it'll be a waste of time and a waste of money to drape these and every existing electric bus in a livery. Brighton and Hove have 54, London will have over 300, there's just no comparison in numbers. The bus stops already have advertising on the new electric buses that gets the message across well. The first few electrics on the 507, 521, 98, 312 and H98 all had liveries to show off the new technology being used but now electric technology is pretty much standard. Do you think every Euro6 bus should be running around in a livery showing how good they are for the environment compared to a Euro5? The B&H buses run in all electric mode through the city centre, something that is worth advertising but TfL clearly have no interest in promoting bus travel. When I'm stuck in traffic on the A13 and I see an electric 173 stuck behind me that also needs to stop at stops, I don't think I'll be interested in the bus whether it's electric or not. If you think branding an electric bus is the answer to declining usage then you've got it extremely wrong.
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