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Post by M1104 on Mar 22, 2022 10:27:00 GMT
A bit of a video included.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 22, 2022 10:32:33 GMT
The interior looks a little bit of a let down from the concept though.
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Post by kmkcheng on Mar 22, 2022 17:52:15 GMT
Geoff Marshall’s visit to the factory for the mock up train, including an interview with Sadiq Khan youtu.be/bCMZqprWIU4
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 24, 2022 10:40:25 GMT
Geoff Marshall’s visit to the factory for the mock up train, including an interview with Sadiq Khan youtu.be/bCMZqprWIU4He contradicted himself saying. I am travelling on the oldest train on the network. Then saying only the Bakerloo line trains is older. He mentions about door buttons not being on Underground trains for years. The S stock has them. As for deep level stock it is one of my gripes using the network in cold weather and raining, especially if you are standing and near the doorway getting all the elements. I can imagine it would be like the S stock if the train is at the platform for a while and the doors are opened, think it is 30 seconds, the doors automatically close unless someone presses the door opened button or walks into the carriage. I believe they only done this feature to save on wasting air-conditioning costs. When the 92 stock was introduced, it was a welcome feature having to be able to open and close the doors at stations such as Leytonstone, where trains could be there a while in either direction due to crew changes or changes of destination of the train.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 24, 2022 10:52:27 GMT
Geoff Marshall’s visit to the factory for the mock up train, including an interview with Sadiq Khan youtu.be/bCMZqprWIU4He contradicted himself saying. I am travelling on the oldest train on the network. Then saying only the Bakerloo line trains is older. He actually says he's "...travelling on one of the oldest underground trains on the network..." which could be seen as generalising on both the 73 and 72 stocks.
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Post by Frenzie on Mar 24, 2022 10:53:27 GMT
Geoff Marshall’s visit to the factory for the mock up train, including an interview with Sadiq Khan youtu.be/bCMZqprWIU4He contradicted himself saying. I am travelling on the oldest train on the network. Then saying only the Bakerloo line trains is older. He mentions about door buttons not being on Underground trains for years. The S stock has them. As for deep level stock it is one of my gripes using the network in cold weather and raining, especially if you are standing and near the doorway getting all the elements. I can imagine it would be like the S stock if the train is at the platform for a while and the doors are opened, think it is 30 seconds, the doors automatically close unless someone presses the door opened button or walks into the carriage. I believe they only done this feature to save on wasting air-conditioning costs. When the 92 stock was introduced, it was a welcome feature having to be able to open and close the doors at stations such as Leytonstone, where trains could be there a while in either direction due to crew changes or changes of destination of the train. He also said they’re 6 car trains when in reality they will be 9 car.
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 24, 2022 12:49:00 GMT
He contradicted himself saying. I am travelling on the oldest train on the network. Then saying only the Bakerloo line trains is older. He mentions about door buttons not being on Underground trains for years. The S stock has them. As for deep level stock it is one of my gripes using the network in cold weather and raining, especially if you are standing and near the doorway getting all the elements. I can imagine it would be like the S stock if the train is at the platform for a while and the doors are opened, think it is 30 seconds, the doors automatically close unless someone presses the door opened button or walks into the carriage. I believe they only done this feature to save on wasting air-conditioning costs. When the 92 stock was introduced, it was a welcome feature having to be able to open and close the doors at stations such as Leytonstone, where trains could be there a while in either direction due to crew changes or changes of destination of the train. He also said they’re 6 car trains when in reality they will be 9 car. Are you sure the new Piccadilly Line trains will be nine-car? That's the spec for the Elizabeth Line class 345s.
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Post by Frenzie on Mar 24, 2022 13:09:17 GMT
He also said they’re 6 car trains when in reality they will be 9 car. Are you sure the new Piccadilly Line trains will be nine-car? That's the spec for the Elizabeth Line class 345s. Yes. 5 “long” cars with bogies two bogies under them and 4 “short” cars that are suspended between the longer ones. As they don’t have any bogies underneath they space will be used to house the HVAC system. All cars will obviously be shorter than the ones on the 1973 stock but overall train length will be around 5 m longer.
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 24, 2022 13:11:58 GMT
Are you sure the new Piccadilly Line trains will be nine-car? That's the spec for the Elizabeth Line class 345s. Yes. 5 “long” cars with bogies two bogies under them and 4 “short” cars that are suspended between the longer ones. As they don’t have any bogies underneath they space will be used to house the HVAC system. All cars will obviously be shorter than the ones on the 1973 stock but overall train length will be around 5 m longer. Got it, thanks.
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Post by snowman on Mar 24, 2022 15:48:52 GMT
Are you sure the new Piccadilly Line trains will be nine-car? That's the spec for the Elizabeth Line class 345s. Yes. 5 “long” cars with bogies two bogies under them and 4 “short” cars that are suspended between the longer ones. As they don’t have any bogies underneath they space will be used to house the HVAC system. All cars will obviously be shorter than the ones on the 1973 stock but overall train length will be around 5 m longer. They are 9 section trains, there is some debate about use of 9 car as terminology, as the 4 suspended sections are long connecting links. It’s not like an articulated set where a bogie is under two vehicles. The problem with bogies under articulated cars is they tend to be long with long wheelbase (distance between axles), but to help with curvature the new bogies have a wheelbase of only 1.8m Effectively 8 bogies which are motored (16 motors) also carry half the weight of short joining section. The outer two bogies are unmotored, so I believe a lot of the heavy equipment like compressors is near outer ends to help weight distribution. The idea is the short wheelbase and some radial arm passive steering will allow lower track forces, even though weight will be on 10 instead of current 12 bogies The new trains are 113.7m long (current 1973 stock are 106.8m) 6.9m longer than 1973 stock, the previous trains 7 car 1959 stock were 110.2m long Total power 2.5MW Top speed 100km/h (62mph) 18 sets of passenger doors each 1690mm wide (current stock 1446mm) 260 seats (including tip ups), 4 wheelchair spaces (1973 stock were reduced to 228 seats during refurb, was 264 originally had 16 seats between centre doors) Standing capacity at crush load 5 per square metre is 808 1973 stock is 570 at 5 per sq m) Floor height at door is 700mm (standard tube platforms are 520mm) so will be platforms with humps
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