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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 26, 2018 13:02:29 GMT
Piccadilly Line Tube drivers to hold 52-hour strike www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44614202
Tube drivers in London are to hold a 52-hour strike in a row over working conditions and staffing. Rail, Maritime and Transport workers' union (RMT) members on the Piccadilly Line will walk out between 21:00 BST on 11 July and 01:00 on 14 July. The RMT said there had been "repeated problems" on the line including not enough drivers and an "ageing fleet". Transport for London (TfL) urged the union to work "constructively" with it on the issues.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 26, 2018 15:24:20 GMT
Can't say I'm surprised. Lost track of reports of the "good service" being an utter shambles. 9 and 10 minute waits common place when trains should be 2-3 times more frequent than this. I now deliberately avoid the Picc Line if I can.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 19:24:06 GMT
Can't say I'm surprised. Lost track of reports of the "good service" being an utter shambles. 9 and 10 minute waits common place when trains should be 2-3 times more frequent than this. I now deliberately avoid the Picc Line if I can. Absolutely agree. I remember when I took my first job in Central London twenty ish years ago. The service was better then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 20:03:49 GMT
As a tube driver I happily support the strike - much sarcastic gasping I do hear.
There is no doubt the recent breakdown in industrial relations is a factor in this being called and I’m not surprised drivers are happy to lose pay if it means it hits the company harder. Good.
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Post by ibus246 on Jun 26, 2018 20:12:13 GMT
As a tube driver I happily support the strike - much sarcastic gasping I do hear. There is no doubt the recent breakdown in industrial relations is a factor in this being called and I’m not surprised drivers are happy to lose pay if it means it hits the company harder. Good. On a tube drivers salary (was it 52k I heard quoted?) I’m absolutely not surprised they’re happy to lose pay.
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Post by sid on Jun 26, 2018 20:31:39 GMT
Can't say I'm surprised. Lost track of reports of the "good service" being an utter shambles. 9 and 10 minute waits common place when trains should be 2-3 times more frequent than this. I now deliberately avoid the Picc Line if I can. Absolutely agree. I remember when I took my first job in Central London twenty ish years ago. The service was better then. I think the Piccadilly Line has been fine until recently, a friend of mine arrived back at Heathrow one Sunday evening recently and the train was so ram packed people were left behind at some stations, must have given overseas visitors a great impression of the UK!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 20:38:47 GMT
As a tube driver I happily support the strike - much sarcastic gasping I do hear. There is no doubt the recent breakdown in industrial relations is a factor in this being called and I’m not surprised drivers are happy to lose pay if it means it hits the company harder. Good. On a tube drivers salary (was it 52k I heard quoted?) I’m absolutely not surprised they’re happy to lose pay. Don’t get it twisted/twist it. It’s nothing to do with how much drivers get paid. Of course it’s easier to strike if you have a good salary but ifa company treats its staff well it has nothing to fear regarding walkouts, whatever the pay. The issue is not so much pay but the fact we are unionised. If people don’t like it use a medium that isn’t... ie footwork 😂
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Post by ibus246 on Jun 26, 2018 20:48:52 GMT
On a tube drivers salary (was it 52k I heard quoted?) I’m absolutely not surprised they’re happy to lose pay. Don’t get it twisted/twist it. It’s nothing to do with how much drivers get paid. Of course it’s easier to strike if you have a good salary but ifa company treats its staff well it has nothing to fear regarding walkouts, whatever the pay. The issue is not so much pay but the fact we are unionised. If people don’t like it use a medium that isn’t... ie footwork 😂 Not sure what you mean about footwork but my point was merely a passing comment - if they were paid half of their current salary then there would be far less willing to strike. When we use to see strikes in London on a more frequent basis, some drivers could not afford to strike.
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Post by snowman on Jun 26, 2018 21:02:10 GMT
As a tube driver I happily support the strike - much sarcastic gasping I do hear. There is no doubt the recent breakdown in industrial relations is a factor in this being called and I’m not surprised drivers are happy to lose pay if it means it hits the company harder. Good. On a tube drivers salary (was it 52k I heard quoted?) I’m absolutely not surprised they’re happy to lose pay. Don’t forget the £8k of free travel on top of the salary. (Need to earn £8k, which then loses 40% tax, 2% NI, leaving £4.5k to buy 2 all Line travelcards) And from last year’s finance report (published May) it’s possible to estimate about another £9k in pension contributions So let’s call it £52k + £8k + £9k or nearly £70k salary package So as you say, can afford to lose a couple of days pay out of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 21:28:25 GMT
£70k pmsl 😂 yeah, I’d LOVE to see that.
Not everything in the evening standard is true lol.
Anyway back to the original post, not going to debate something others clearly don’t understand. That recent near-4% pay rise. Can DEFINITELY strike on that, cheers!
One question I do have is why it’s 52 hours. The link didn’t stipulate the reason it’s not 48 hours unless I’ve missed something while skimming through it.
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Post by flatswhatflats on Jun 26, 2018 21:46:28 GMT
£70k pmsl 😂 yeah, I’d LOVE to see that. Not everything in the evening standard is true lol. Anyway back to the original post, not going to debate something others clearly don’t understand. That recent near-4% pay rise. Can DEFINITELY strike on that, cheers! One question I do have is why it’s 52 hours. The link didn’t stipulate the reason it’s not 48 hours unless I’ve missed something while skimming through it. The reason for the 52 hours is to include Night Tube drivers on the Friday night. Their last book on time is around 2330 I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 21:53:10 GMT
£70k pmsl 😂 yeah, I’d LOVE to see that. Not everything in the evening standard is true lol. Anyway back to the original post, not going to debate something others clearly don’t understand. That recent near-4% pay rise. Can DEFINITELY strike on that, cheers! One question I do have is why it’s 52 hours. The link didn’t stipulate the reason it’s not 48 hours unless I’ve missed something while skimming through it. The reason for the 52 hours is to include Night Tube drivers on the Friday night. Their last book on time is around 2330 I believe. Ah cool that makes sense. Cheers
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Post by vjaska on Jun 26, 2018 23:54:42 GMT
As usual, it's the poor passengers who get dealt the worst hand with little thought - feel sorry for anyone using Thameslink & then Piccadilly on those days
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Post by Alex on Jun 27, 2018 0:01:00 GMT
Not sure what you mean about footwork but my point was merely a passing comment - if they were paid half of their current salary then there would be far less willing to strike. When we use to see strikes in London on a more frequent basis, some drivers could not afford to strike. Looking at the advertised new starter rates at some companies there is a big wage difference to the salary mentioned on this thread - and I recall a massive turnout in support of the Unite action across the network in 2015. Add to this the amount of Tower Transit drivers who have supported the action as they had some heavily publicised strikes with grievances at their company (there's going to be others but these are the ones that come readily to me). I know that the comparison is not to be adopted generally as drivers of differing service lengths and different contracts will compare differently, but it seems to me that if an issue is important to a workforce, they will take part in action. One of my neighbours is a retired British Gas fitter, and said they had industrial action at points in the 1970's and 1980's which could run into two weeks at a time.....the fitters endured real hardship losing so much money, but it was something they felt they had to do, again, if a problem is so serious people will stick to their guns.
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Post by routew15 on Jun 27, 2018 7:02:23 GMT
Absolutely agree. I remember when I took my first job in Central London twenty ish years ago. The service was better then. I think the Piccadilly Line has been fine until recently, a friend of mine arrived back at Heathrow one Sunday evening recently and the train was so ram packed people were left behind at some stations, must have given overseas visitors a great impression of the UK! I have had a similar experience as mentioned above it is totally frustrating travelling on the Piccadilly Line. TfL Rail (nee Heathrow Connect) is just not reliable at all. I travelled back to Heathrow from Berlin on the day TfL Rail took over and the departure board was cancelled trains and signal failures. The Piccadilly Line does not run anywhere near frequent enough for the demand that is exprecienced on the route especially on the weekends.
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