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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 22:12:39 GMT
If I was the mayor, I would say OK stike, then we close the Piccadilly line, all those working on it lose their jobs as a result and infrastructure sold to the private sector ... lets see how the unions would then be seen to be encouraging the privatisation of the tube! Piccadily line would then reopen when the private sectors work force have be trained uo taking advantage of all the latest technology Oh, and I dont care if LU workers take any offence to this! A bit more thought could have gone into this given the responses. Oops!
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 24, 2018 23:37:57 GMT
If I was the mayor, I would say OK stike, then we close the Piccadilly line, all those working on it lose their jobs as a result and infrastructure sold to the private sector ... lets see how the unions would then be seen to be encouraging the privatisation of the tube! Piccadily line would then reopen when the private sectors work force have be trained uo taking advantage of all the latest technology Oh, and I dont care if LU workers take any offence to this! you do know that it would take "quite a while" for a private sector workforce to be trained to run the Pic line?
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Post by snowman on Sept 25, 2018 11:10:40 GMT
Sounds like Piccadilly line strike is on after TfL chose not to offer more at ACAS negociations this morning
The RMT said TfL bosses has "scuppered" the talks by "refusing to bring any new proposals or make any serious progress on the core issues at the heart of the dispute".
Shock horror, the union thought they called the shots, then discovered other side didn't want to give in, the logical thing to do now is let them go on strike and sack all the strikers, just keep the staff the don't strike. Then only reinstate those who agree to driverless trains when new trains get delivered.
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Post by MoEnviro on Sept 25, 2018 11:31:03 GMT
I wonder could TfL rail run extra trains to Heathrow now the strike is going ahead?
Could they have a 4tph Class 360 shuttle between Southall and Heathrow and a 4 tph Class 345’s between London and Hayes?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 13:13:10 GMT
Previous actions have resulted in extra buses on the 29. A special non stop Hammersmith to Heathrow bus service. Maybe some extras on 298. Would be nice to see extra N9's as well but I doubt that would happen.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 25, 2018 13:14:26 GMT
Sounds like Piccadilly line strike is on after TfL chose not to offer more at ACAS negociations this morning The RMT said TfL bosses has "scuppered" the talks by "refusing to bring any new proposals or make any serious progress on the core issues at the heart of the dispute". Shock horror, the union thought they called the shots, then discovered other side didn't want to give in, the logical thing to do now is let them go on strike and sack all the strikers, just keep the staff the don't strike. Then only reinstate those who agree to driverless trains when new trains get delivered. What is all this "sack the drivers" nonsense? The Picc Line has a very heavy RMT presence amongst the drivers. It rarely puts on any "short" service on a strike day. I should know - I've stood outside enough Picc Line stations giving strike day travel advice. If you sack all the RMT drivers they would then simply go on strike on the rest of the network. The network would then be shut which would be unacceptable to the Mayor as it gives his Tory opponents a great big stick to hit him over the head with. That's the party political aspect. In terms of more general politics the last thing the Mayor needs is the Tube being shut - it'll screw his reputation, screw a weakening London economy and cause utter havoc. It'll also shaft TfL's finances if it went on for more than a couple of days. So that's all a "big win" isn't it? The Mayor has already made a commitment that the new trains won't be driverless so I can't see why that would be a factor in a current dispute. The Picc Line is in dire shape - the service is appalling with large peak time gaps in the service and at other times. I believe the line is also under strength in terms of drivers (day and night). I suspect LU's way of "managing" this is to increase the usual "macho management" tactics which fail time and time again. I don't know why someone doesn't try grown up management instead. And yes the unions can and often are a right old pain in the backside on LU. Yes they think they run the railway. Yes industrial relations on the train side have been awful for decades. So both sides need to grow up and learn how to have sensible discussions. Strikes and threatening to sack people get you precisely nowhere. I actually miss Bob Crow and Howard Collins. Bob died and Howard opted for the sunshine of Australia. At least those two could have a sensible discussion and get to an agreement. Despite all the vilification of Bob Crow he knew what was needed and was not afraid to negotiate and compromise.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 25, 2018 13:19:44 GMT
I wonder could TfL rail run extra trains to Heathrow now the strike is going ahead? Could they have a 4tph Class 360 shuttle between Southall and Heathrow and a 4 tph Class 345’s between London and Hayes? You are joking aren't you? The Class 360s are unreliable heaps. I doubt TfL have enough 7 car class 345s out west to run that level of service. Network Rail apparently won't allow 9 cars to run into Hayes bay platform because there is no contingency to run them somewhere else if the points failed. That's what's being said on District Dave and I find it staggering. You can't send 345s to Heathrow because of the signalling issues and apparently MTR drivers aren't route trained west of Airport junction so you can turn a train at West Drayton or Maidenhead either. You couldn't make this up. TfL may beg Heathrow Express to allow some ticket acceptance on HEX but I doubt that'll happen because HEX will want to rake in as much cash as possible if the Picc's not running. In short another shambles. You can't even advise people to go via Feltham and get a bus because of the bus diversions in Feltham.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 25, 2018 14:16:49 GMT
Sounds like Piccadilly line strike is on after TfL chose not to offer more at ACAS negociations this morning The RMT said TfL bosses has "scuppered" the talks by "refusing to bring any new proposals or make any serious progress on the core issues at the heart of the dispute". Shock horror, the union thought they called the shots, then discovered other side didn't want to give in, the logical thing to do now is let them go on strike and sack all the strikers, just keep the staff the don't strike. Then only reinstate those who agree to driverless trains when new trains get delivered. Seriously!!!! Then you would be the first to complain when the service would be short of 50% of drivers over the next few months as they have to recruit more. Driverless trains still require a member of staff on board like the DLR and then if they strike like has happened on the DLR we end up in the no trains situation.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 25, 2018 14:21:36 GMT
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Post by snowman on Sept 25, 2018 15:17:35 GMT
TfL website is now showing that during the strike
Metropolitan line closed after 10pm Aldgate-Wembley Park TfL Rail will be closed Hackney Downs - Enfield / Cheshunt (via Seven Sisters) after 10:45pm
But are going to run extra buses L1, L2
There is a more vague buses note on the Strike info page on TfL website (guess where, when, and how frequently as this is what it says) :
Buses
We will be running extra buses during the strike. Buses are likely to be busy - allow more time for your journey.
For up to date information on bus services follow @tflbusalerts on Twitter or check out our central London bus and walking map. You can also download bus maps by area of London.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 20:16:43 GMT
Sounds like Piccadilly line strike is on after TfL chose not to offer more at ACAS negociations this morning The RMT said TfL bosses has "scuppered" the talks by "refusing to bring any new proposals or make any serious progress on the core issues at the heart of the dispute". Shock horror, the union thought they called the shots, then discovered other side didn't want to give in, the logical thing to do now is let them go on strike and sack all the strikers, just keep the staff the don't strike. Then only reinstate those who agree to driverless trains when new trains get delivered. What is all this "sack the drivers" nonsense? The Picc Line has a very heavy RMT presence amongst the drivers. It rarely puts on any "short" service on a strike day. I should know - I've stood outside enough Picc Line stations giving strike day travel advice. If you sack all the RMT drivers they would then simply go on strike on the rest of the network. The network would then be shut which would be unacceptable to the Mayor as it gives his Tory opponents a great big stick to hit him over the head with. That's the party political aspect. In terms of more general politics the last thing the Mayor needs is the Tube being shut - it'll screw his reputation, screw a weakening London economy and cause utter havoc. It'll also shaft TfL's finances if it went on for more than a couple of days. So that's all a "big win" isn't it? The Mayor has already made a commitment that the new trains won't be driverless so I can't see why that would be a factor in a current dispute. The Picc Line is in dire shape - the service is appalling with large peak time gaps in the service and at other times. I believe the line is also under strength in terms of drivers (day and night). I suspect LU's way of "managing" this is to increase the usual "macho management" tactics which fail time and time again. I don't know why someone doesn't try grown up management instead. And yes the unions can and often are a right old pain in the backside on LU. Yes they think they run the railway. Yes industrial relations on the train side have been awful for decades. So both sides need to grow up and learn how to have sensible discussions. Strikes and threatening to sack people get you precisely nowhere. I actually miss Bob Crow and Howard Collins. Bob died and Howard opted for the sunshine of Australia. At least those two could have a sensible discussion and get to an agreement. Despite all the vilification of Bob Crow he knew what was needed and was not afraid to negotiate and compromise. You can’t reason with a public that won’t listen to sense or use logic mate. Stop trying, it’s clear it won’t work with some of the drivel I’ve seen on here, you’ll also notice that even though you’ve come up with reasoned explanations as you why nonsense has been spouted on here there has been deafening silence as a result. Speaks volumes though. Here’s what some people think: - strikes are essentially paid holidays - the staff vote for strikes to have a day off - only a few strike votes are good enough for a strike to be called - staff vote on WHEN to strike - not related, but some of these people even think trains are ‘steered’ by a wheel similar to that of a car. So it’s no wonder people are ignorant but that’s okay. I’m not a staunch defender of unions despite what some people may think of my defence of drivers but when people suggest that drivers are the ones to blame for strike action it does tickle me. It shows complete lack of understanding for the balloting process. Sadly we don’t strike simply to annoy people but the union will obviously look to hit LU hard so they will set the dates. This is a big one too because some drivers will lose two days pay, yet you see the feeling within the drivers camp that they are prepared to lose this money to stand up for something they believe in losing it for, and by a good turnout since the government introduced the trade unions bill. Sadly they are treated as though they are doing it for fun. As for those who are screaming for driverless trains, again this is sadly down to ignorance and I do feel embarrassed for them when they plaster it on here with the clear lack of knowledge they possess about the likelihood of that ever happening soon. The Piccadilly will NOT be cabless, the doors will NOT auto open and close (auto open only is being considered but they scrapped this on the S stock) and therefore there will always need to be someone in the front. And they forget the threat of terrorism... look at the heroes of 7/7 when the staff calmly helped those in dire need. Terrorism WILL happen again, it’s the world we live in, so when the public ask for help from drivers when someone is only feeling unwell, how are they going to cope with another attack? Hmmm
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 25, 2018 21:55:16 GMT
What is all this "sack the drivers" nonsense? The Picc Line has a very heavy RMT presence amongst the drivers. It rarely puts on any "short" service on a strike day. I should know - I've stood outside enough Picc Line stations giving strike day travel advice. If you sack all the RMT drivers they would then simply go on strike on the rest of the network. The network would then be shut which would be unacceptable to the Mayor as it gives his Tory opponents a great big stick to hit him over the head with. That's the party political aspect. In terms of more general politics the last thing the Mayor needs is the Tube being shut - it'll screw his reputation, screw a weakening London economy and cause utter havoc. It'll also shaft TfL's finances if it went on for more than a couple of days. So that's all a "big win" isn't it? The Mayor has already made a commitment that the new trains won't be driverless so I can't see why that would be a factor in a current dispute. The Picc Line is in dire shape - the service is appalling with large peak time gaps in the service and at other times. I believe the line is also under strength in terms of drivers (day and night). I suspect LU's way of "managing" this is to increase the usual "macho management" tactics which fail time and time again. I don't know why someone doesn't try grown up management instead. And yes the unions can and often are a right old pain in the backside on LU. Yes they think they run the railway. Yes industrial relations on the train side have been awful for decades. So both sides need to grow up and learn how to have sensible discussions. Strikes and threatening to sack people get you precisely nowhere. I actually miss Bob Crow and Howard Collins. Bob died and Howard opted for the sunshine of Australia. At least those two could have a sensible discussion and get to an agreement. Despite all the vilification of Bob Crow he knew what was needed and was not afraid to negotiate and compromise. You can’t reason with a public that won’t listen to sense or use logic mate. Stop trying, it’s clear it won’t work with some of the drivel I’ve seen on here, you’ll also notice that even though you’ve come up with reasoned explanations as you why nonsense has been spouted on here there has been deafening silence as a result. Speaks volumes though. Here’s what some people think: - strikes are essentially paid holidays - the staff vote for strikes to have a day off - only a few strike votes are good enough for a strike to be called - staff vote on WHEN to strike - not related, but some of these people even think trains are ‘steered’ by a wheel similar to that of a car. So it’s no wonder people are ignorant but that’s okay. I’m not a staunch defender of unions despite what some people may think of my defence of drivers but when people suggest that drivers are the ones to blame for strike action it does tickle me. It shows complete lack of understanding for the balloting process. Sadly we don’t strike simply to annoy people but the union will obviously look to hit LU hard so they will set the dates. This is a big one too because some drivers will lose two days pay, yet you see the feeling within the drivers camp that they are prepared to lose this money to stand up for something they believe in losing it for, and by a good turnout since the government introduced the trade unions bill. Sadly they are treated as though they are doing it for fun. As for those who are screaming for driverless trains, again this is sadly down to ignorance and I do feel embarrassed for them when they plaster it on here with the clear lack of knowledge they possess about the likelihood of that ever happening soon. The Piccadilly will NOT be cabless, the doors will NOT auto open and close (auto open only is being considered but they scrapped this on the S stock) and therefore there will always need to be someone in the front. And they forget the threat of terrorism... look at the heroes of 7/7 when the staff calmly helped those in dire need. Terrorism WILL happen again, it’s the world we live in, so when the public ask for help from drivers when someone is only feeling unwell, how are they going to cope with another attack? Hmmm Strikes paid holidays??? lol, wow. It isn't even a day off as the majority would come to the picket line. I am not a defender of unions either, but they do have their place. It also makes me laugh when some that complains about them, never want to join them but are the first to moan when they do not do enough
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Post by sid on Sept 25, 2018 22:05:09 GMT
What is all this "sack the drivers" nonsense? The Picc Line has a very heavy RMT presence amongst the drivers. It rarely puts on any "short" service on a strike day. I should know - I've stood outside enough Picc Line stations giving strike day travel advice. If you sack all the RMT drivers they would then simply go on strike on the rest of the network. The network would then be shut which would be unacceptable to the Mayor as it gives his Tory opponents a great big stick to hit him over the head with. That's the party political aspect. In terms of more general politics the last thing the Mayor needs is the Tube being shut - it'll screw his reputation, screw a weakening London economy and cause utter havoc. It'll also shaft TfL's finances if it went on for more than a couple of days. So that's all a "big win" isn't it? The Mayor has already made a commitment that the new trains won't be driverless so I can't see why that would be a factor in a current dispute. The Picc Line is in dire shape - the service is appalling with large peak time gaps in the service and at other times. I believe the line is also under strength in terms of drivers (day and night). I suspect LU's way of "managing" this is to increase the usual "macho management" tactics which fail time and time again. I don't know why someone doesn't try grown up management instead. And yes the unions can and often are a right old pain in the backside on LU. Yes they think they run the railway. Yes industrial relations on the train side have been awful for decades. So both sides need to grow up and learn how to have sensible discussions. Strikes and threatening to sack people get you precisely nowhere. I actually miss Bob Crow and Howard Collins. Bob died and Howard opted for the sunshine of Australia. At least those two could have a sensible discussion and get to an agreement. Despite all the vilification of Bob Crow he knew what was needed and was not afraid to negotiate and compromise. You can’t reason with a public that won’t listen to sense or use logic mate. Stop trying, it’s clear it won’t work with some of the drivel I’ve seen on here, you’ll also notice that even though you’ve come up with reasoned explanations as you why nonsense has been spouted on here there has been deafening silence as a result. Speaks volumes though. Here’s what some people think: - strikes are essentially paid holidays - the staff vote for strikes to have a day off - only a few strike votes are good enough for a strike to be called - staff vote on WHEN to strike - not related, but some of these people even think trains are ‘steered’ by a wheel similar to that of a car. So it’s no wonder people are ignorant but that’s okay. I’m not a staunch defender of unions despite what some people may think of my defence of drivers but when people suggest that drivers are the ones to blame for strike action it does tickle me. It shows complete lack of understanding for the balloting process. Sadly we don’t strike simply to annoy people but the union will obviously look to hit LU hard so they will set the dates. This is a big one too because some drivers will lose two days pay, yet you see the feeling within the drivers camp that they are prepared to lose this money to stand up for something they believe in losing it for, and by a good turnout since the government introduced the trade unions bill. Sadly they are treated as though they are doing it for fun. As for those who are screaming for driverless trains, again this is sadly down to ignorance and I do feel embarrassed for them when they plaster it on here with the clear lack of knowledge they possess about the likelihood of that ever happening soon. The Piccadilly will NOT be cabless, the doors will NOT auto open and close (auto open only is being considered but they scrapped this on the S stock) and therefore there will always need to be someone in the front. And they forget the threat of terrorism... look at the heroes of 7/7 when the staff calmly helped those in dire need. Terrorism WILL happen again, it’s the world we live in, so when the public ask for help from drivers when someone is only feeling unwell, how are they going to cope with another attack? Hmmm I'm afraid you're flogging the proverbial dead horse if you think you're going to get any public support and inevitably there will be increased calls for driverless trains.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 25, 2018 22:16:20 GMT
What is all this "sack the drivers" nonsense? The Picc Line has a very heavy RMT presence amongst the drivers. It rarely puts on any "short" service on a strike day. I should know - I've stood outside enough Picc Line stations giving strike day travel advice. If you sack all the RMT drivers they would then simply go on strike on the rest of the network. The network would then be shut which would be unacceptable to the Mayor as it gives his Tory opponents a great big stick to hit him over the head with. That's the party political aspect. In terms of more general politics the last thing the Mayor needs is the Tube being shut - it'll screw his reputation, screw a weakening London economy and cause utter havoc. It'll also shaft TfL's finances if it went on for more than a couple of days. So that's all a "big win" isn't it? The Mayor has already made a commitment that the new trains won't be driverless so I can't see why that would be a factor in a current dispute. The Picc Line is in dire shape - the service is appalling with large peak time gaps in the service and at other times. I believe the line is also under strength in terms of drivers (day and night). I suspect LU's way of "managing" this is to increase the usual "macho management" tactics which fail time and time again. I don't know why someone doesn't try grown up management instead. And yes the unions can and often are a right old pain in the backside on LU. Yes they think they run the railway. Yes industrial relations on the train side have been awful for decades. So both sides need to grow up and learn how to have sensible discussions. Strikes and threatening to sack people get you precisely nowhere. I actually miss Bob Crow and Howard Collins. Bob died and Howard opted for the sunshine of Australia. At least those two could have a sensible discussion and get to an agreement. Despite all the vilification of Bob Crow he knew what was needed and was not afraid to negotiate and compromise. You can’t reason with a public that won’t listen to sense or use logic mate. Stop trying, it’s clear it won’t work with some of the drivel I’ve seen on here, you’ll also notice that even though you’ve come up with reasoned explanations as you why nonsense has been spouted on here there has been deafening silence as a result. Speaks volumes though. Here’s what some people think: - strikes are essentially paid holidays - the staff vote for strikes to have a day off - only a few strike votes are good enough for a strike to be called - staff vote on WHEN to strike - not related, but some of these people even think trains are ‘steered’ by a wheel similar to that of a car. So it’s no wonder people are ignorant but that’s okay. I’m not a staunch defender of unions despite what some people may think of my defence of drivers but when people suggest that drivers are the ones to blame for strike action it does tickle me. It shows complete lack of understanding for the balloting process. Sadly we don’t strike simply to annoy people but the union will obviously look to hit LU hard so they will set the dates. This is a big one too because some drivers will lose two days pay, yet you see the feeling within the drivers camp that they are prepared to lose this money to stand up for something they believe in losing it for, and by a good turnout since the government introduced the trade unions bill. Sadly they are treated as though they are doing it for fun. As for those who are screaming for driverless trains, again this is sadly down to ignorance and I do feel embarrassed for them when they plaster it on here with the clear lack of knowledge they possess about the likelihood of that ever happening soon. The Piccadilly will NOT be cabless, the doors will NOT auto open and close (auto open only is being considered but they scrapped this on the S stock) and therefore there will always need to be someone in the front. And they forget the threat of terrorism... look at the heroes of 7/7 when the staff calmly helped those in dire need. Terrorism WILL happen again, it’s the world we live in, so when the public ask for help from drivers when someone is only feeling unwell, how are they going to cope with another attack? Hmmm I think your letting your emotions get the better of you
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 25, 2018 22:51:55 GMT
What is the Strike actually over ? And for anyone to give up a days wage over a issue it must be a serious issue especially with a high turnout , This "Driverless Trains" and "sack them all" nonsense I think comes from people believing everything they read in the papers or see or hear in the media and automatically assume everything is about wages , Yes it is a pain in the Harris when there are strikes but unfortunately it's a necessary evil at times .
And if you look on the Brightside for most of us it's Usually a Vintage running day 😉
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