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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 11:55:22 GMT
You have to get exemptions at the moment by registering a vehicle's license plate with TfL over a week beforehand, and that gives you a whole day exemption. But that would require a lot of pre-planning and though, plus the time to then register every post 1973 built vehicle.
If you read the open consultation on amending LSPs then TfL make it clear that there will be absolutely no permission for any non-compliant bus, paying daily fines will NOT be permitted. Along with the wording in the ULEZ expansion consultation, effectively bans any Operator from running a service on any route (or replacement service such as rail replacement) within the ULEZ without a euroVI or zero emission bus. I can't see how they could then offer a dispensation, having made these proposals, and taking them to enforceable legal status Oh well that will be an end to any running days and garage open days. Watch how it will all fall down when there is a big strike ...
They will make an amendment to suit themselves when it gets their rear end out of the proverbial doo do
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Post by sid on Sept 26, 2018 15:36:07 GMT
Finsbury Park will be exit only after the game at Arsenal tonight.
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Post by ronnie on Sept 26, 2018 17:47:51 GMT
Meanwhile, heard at Bank - Piccadilly line suspended between Heathrow, Uxbridge, Acton Town and Cockfosters, severe delay on the rest of the line”. Didn’t know there were other offshoots of the picc!
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Post by snoggle on Sept 26, 2018 17:56:04 GMT
Meanwhile, heard at Bank - Piccadilly line suspended between Heathrow, Uxbridge, Acton Town and Cockfosters, severe delay on the rest of the line”. Didn’t know there were other offshoots of the picc! It's fully suspended and will remain so until Friday. As I said before the RMT are more than able to shut the entire line. I don't know what's gone wrong with TfL's travel info - some of the info they give out is borderline ludicrous or just unusable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 19:56:51 GMT
Route 121 extras on standby for the session, photo credit to Paul Dickson Impressed how quick they make those lazy blinds.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 26, 2018 23:20:29 GMT
You can’t reason with a public that won’t listen to sense or use logic mate. Stop trying, it’s clear it won’t work with some of the drivel I’ve seen on here, you’ll also notice that even though you’ve come up with reasoned explanations as you why nonsense has been spouted on here there has been deafening silence as a result. Speaks volumes though. Here’s what some people think: - strikes are essentially paid holidays - the staff vote for strikes to have a day off - only a few strike votes are good enough for a strike to be called - staff vote on WHEN to strike - not related, but some of these people even think trains are ‘steered’ by a wheel similar to that of a car. So it’s no wonder people are ignorant but that’s okay. I’m not a staunch defender of unions despite what some people may think of my defence of drivers but when people suggest that drivers are the ones to blame for strike action it does tickle me. It shows complete lack of understanding for the balloting process. Sadly we don’t strike simply to annoy people but the union will obviously look to hit LU hard so they will set the dates. This is a big one too because some drivers will lose two days pay, yet you see the feeling within the drivers camp that they are prepared to lose this money to stand up for something they believe in losing it for, and by a good turnout since the government introduced the trade unions bill. Sadly they are treated as though they are doing it for fun. As for those who are screaming for driverless trains, again this is sadly down to ignorance and I do feel embarrassed for them when they plaster it on here with the clear lack of knowledge they possess about the likelihood of that ever happening soon. The Piccadilly will NOT be cabless, the doors will NOT auto open and close (auto open only is being considered but they scrapped this on the S stock) and therefore there will always need to be someone in the front. And they forget the threat of terrorism... look at the heroes of 7/7 when the staff calmly helped those in dire need. Terrorism WILL happen again, it’s the world we live in, so when the public ask for help from drivers when someone is only feeling unwell, how are they going to cope with another attack? Hmmm Driverless tubes .... They are reality! Look at the major cities with them. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_subway_systemsIt is only the unions that thwart there introduction here! From here and other forums it seems rail workers are so up their own asses with delusions of grandeur ... when the fact is you are not really needed .. you are not really that important ... starting and stopping a train is a repetitive action that can be automated, much like fault diagnostics and fixing. Automated trains will not go through red signals, so that is most of the safety critical errors that occur on railways these days eradicated in one go! Yes it is possible, but you seem to be forgetting it needs someone on board the train. The same way the DLR has to have someone on board. This person would more than likely be the people who were previously driving trains and guess what; if they have a dispute we would get a strike in the same way. We have had strikes on the DLR but the idiotic media don't seem to realise that. Someone would be needed on board regardless if they train gets stuck in the tunnel and an evacuation is needed. And to stop the train in an emergency. If they want to bring in driverless trains to prevent strikes, they are 100% completely wasting their time.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 26, 2018 23:27:31 GMT
It will be at least 40 odd years, if you look at the state of the infrastructure and that’s on the first line to get ready. Again people are missing vital points and that is the thing. Unless one has actual knowledge about the railway they simply don’t know what they are talking about. I’m sure LU also, for example, attempted to compare the system with others and this is why they make the same basic mistakes when it comes to upgrades. There are plans to run driverless trains on the Glasgow subway in the next few years and of course they are already in use on parts of the Paris metro. The Paris Metro had a strike last year, or year before IIRC. goes to show it my point driverless trains wont get rid of strikes.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 26, 2018 23:34:03 GMT
Going OT here, one wonders how strike extras will be able to take place from 2019 & 2020 when the ULEZ and LEBZs begin ... TfL give the said buses on the routes dispensation; the usual moving the goal posts when it suits them.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 26, 2018 23:39:27 GMT
You have to get exemptions at the moment by registering a vehicle's license plate with TfL over a week beforehand, and that gives you a whole day exemption. But that would require a lot of pre-planning and though, plus the time to then register every post 1973 built vehicle.
If you read the open consultation on amending LSPs then TfL make it clear that there will be absolutely no permission for any non-compliant bus, paying daily fines will NOT be permitted. Along with the wording in the ULEZ expansion consultation, effectively bans any Operator from running a service on any route (or replacement service such as rail replacement) within the ULEZ without a euroVI or zero emission bus. I can't see how they could then offer a dispensation, having made these proposals, and taking them to enforceable legal status Yes, but when there are other matters, they can cancel it. Do you think everyone pays the congestion charge fine even when they are meant to, do an FOI and you would be surprised. Even the current LEZ there are vehicles that get away under certain circumstances. TfL would waiver the fine, I am sure Ensign & Co would not be paying £1000 to operate non compliant buses.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 26, 2018 23:51:13 GMT
If you read the open consultation on amending LSPs then TfL make it clear that there will be absolutely no permission for any non-compliant bus, paying daily fines will NOT be permitted. Along with the wording in the ULEZ expansion consultation, effectively bans any Operator from running a service on any route (or replacement service such as rail replacement) within the ULEZ without a euroVI or zero emission bus. I can't see how they could then offer a dispensation, having made these proposals, and taking them to enforceable legal status Yes, but when there are other matters, they can cancel it. Do you think everyone pays the congestion charge fine even when they are meant to, do an FOI and you would be surprised. Even the current LEZ there are vehicles that get away under certain circumstances. TfL would waiver the fine, I am sure Ensign & Co would not be paying £1000 to operate non compliant buses. If they did they would cost the charge into the price they charge TfL, plus no doubt a bit extra for themselves!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 26, 2018 23:59:32 GMT
Yes, but when there are other matters, they can cancel it. Do you think everyone pays the congestion charge fine even when they are meant to, do an FOI and you would be surprised. Even the current LEZ there are vehicles that get away under certain circumstances. TfL would waiver the fine, I am sure Ensign & Co would not be paying £1000 to operate non compliant buses. If they did they would cost the charge into the price they charge TfL, plus no doubt a bit extra for themselves! Tfl are not that stupid and would not get ripped off. There has been previous times before when buses have been given exemption, Metrobuses and Titans. Not just on tube strike days.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 26, 2018 23:59:58 GMT
Driverless tubes .... They are reality! Look at the major cities with them. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_subway_systemsIt is only the unions that thwart there introduction here! From here and other forums it seems rail workers are so up their own asses with delusions of grandeur ... when the fact is you are not really needed .. you are not really that important ... starting and stopping a train is a repetitive action that can be automated, much like fault diagnostics and fixing. Automated trains will not go through red signals, so that is most of the safety critical errors that occur on railways these days eradicated in one go! Yes it is possible, but you seem to be forgetting it needs someone on board the train. The same way the DLR has to have someone on board. This person would more than likely be the people who were previously driving trains and guess what; if they have a dispute we would get a strike in the same way. We have had strikes on the DLR but the idiotic media don't seem to realise that. Someone would be needed on board regardless if they train gets stuck in the tunnel and an evacuation is needed. And to stop the train in an emergency. If they want to bring in driverless trains to prevent strikes, they are 100% completely wasting their time.
If we move from GoA3 to GoA4 ... you can operate with out a member of staff ... DLR is old hat automation! It works in other countries, why not the UK ... oh that would be the RMT!
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Post by snoggle on Sept 27, 2018 0:00:50 GMT
Driverless tubes .... They are reality! Look at the major cities with them. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_subway_systemsIt is only the unions that thwart there introduction here! From here and other forums it seems rail workers are so up their own asses with delusions of grandeur ... when the fact is you are not really needed .. you are not really that important ... starting and stopping a train is a repetitive action that can be automated, much like fault diagnostics and fixing. Automated trains will not go through red signals, so that is most of the safety critical errors that occur on railways these days eradicated in one go! Automated trains most certainly can go through red signals if there is a wrong side failure in the software or a controller makes a wrong operating decision in the event of a problem. It has happened in Singapore when they switched on upgraded fully automatic signalling / train control on an existing line. So that removes one of your claims. Most of that list consists of monorails or airport maglev style shuttles. They do not carry multiple hundreds of passengers in crush loaded conditions at moderate to high speeds so not an appropriate comparison. Many of the other systems in the list are those which are brand new or newly constructed to modern standards with evacuation walkways, full tunnel ventilation and smoke extraction, multiple intervention points / escape routes and other safety measures. Only tiny sections of the Underground possess such facilities. I've travelled on the fully automatic NE Line in Singapore. I wasn't particularly bothered by it but it was early days in terms of patronage levels. I suspect it is vastly busier now. Singapore still put staff on a decent proportion of fully automatic trains so the MRT lines are not wholly unstaffed. The automatic shuttles in Bukit Panjang and elsewhere are just like airport shuttles and are wholly unstaffed. SMRT Bukit Panjang LRT Choa Chu Kang Station by plcd1, on Flickr Punggol LRT Car 33 Punggol interchange by plcd1, on Flickr I have also travelled on the fully automatic VAL in Lille. I found that a distinctly worrying experience. The trains are tiny, you can't move between carriages and the stations are small and overcrowded. I dread to think how they'd cope with a fire inside a train there. There may well have been safety features I missed but I've worked for an urban railway for over 25 years so have a bit of relevant knowledge and I couldn't spot the obvious things. I would not want a VAL type scenario in London. We may end up with fully automatic tube trains in London at some point. However it will cost a LOT of money because of the physical constraints in the design of the original tube tunnels which makes evacuation a more involved task, emergency access / egress difficult and the provision of effective ventilation / smoke evacuation nigh on impossible. There are also not insignificant issues with stations and their ability to be modified to take platform edge doors / barriers. There are also big issues with stepping gaps / heights between trains and platforms. New driverless lines are designed with as small a gap and no stepping height differences which reduces the risks around people getting on and off trains safely. Good luck in removing the curved platforms at Bank on the Central Line. People may moan about tube strikes but I think it will take an enormous amount of persuasion to convince the public that you could have unstaffed trains on, say, the Central Line given its infrastructure and loadings. I do think passengers would be more than happy to have fully automatic but staffed tube trains even if the staff had to ride in the normal car rather than in a cab. In other words just like the DLR.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 27, 2018 0:01:48 GMT
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Post by Alex on Sept 27, 2018 0:03:17 GMT
It is only the unions that thwart there introduction here! OK, haven't posted on here for a bit (though I log in most days), the direction the forum has gone recently indicates an aggressive 'keyboard warrior' approach where a fair percentage of posters have no social awareness and a desire to hammer 'knowledge' down people's throats, in addition to repetitive, over and over again questions and general winding up. When I say that, it's not about this thread, but generally over the last few months on the Bus Forum. What I will say if the technology is there (and has been for some time), how come Westinghouse pulled out of the SSR resignalling at the first hurdle saying LUL's requests on such an old system were impractical? Then Bombardier (with their CityFlo, tried and tested on driverless operations all over the world) came along and the end product was that the task was unworkable, so they walked away. Then the current provider have come along and experienced a failed attempt to launch the new signalling, with delays and obstacles which were unforeseen by many parties which remain to the time of writing. If technology was that great then automating the next four lines would have been a doddle. But it isn't. Proof nothing is as clear cut as it seems and as mere 'forumers' we don't know it all.
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