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Post by snowman on Apr 2, 2020 15:27:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 18:37:57 GMT
In recent times there have been a lot of rumours regarding Arriva in Guildford, having lost access to the university and a few tendered routes. Just to add to them, their fleet of ‘imported’ Streetlites for the Sapphire 34/35, and those originally intended for the 91, have apparently moved to Kent in return for older Enviros. Thought it was odd I hadn’t seen them about, being the youngest vehicles in the fleet so presumably the most fuel efficient (probably an important factor in the current situation).
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 4, 2020 6:52:51 GMT
In recent times there have been a lot of rumours regarding Arriva in Guildford, having lost access to the university and a few tendered routes. Just to add to them, their fleet of ‘imported’ Streetlites for the Sapphire 34/35, and those originally intended for the 91, have apparently moved to Kent in return for older Enviros. Thought it was odd I hadn’t seen them about, being the youngest vehicles in the fleet so presumably the most fuel efficient (probably an important factor in the current situation). I guess Compass, Falcon, RATP, Stagecoach and Safeguard would between them safeguard Guildford's bus network, if you get my drift. Routes could be taken over as follows: 34, 35 & 47 to Stagecoach 91 & 436 to Falcon 3, 18, 36/37, A & C to Safeguard 53, 63 & 63x to Compass 479 to RATP
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Post by TB123 on Apr 4, 2020 8:33:41 GMT
In recent times there have been a lot of rumours regarding Arriva in Guildford, having lost access to the university and a few tendered routes. Just to add to them, their fleet of ‘imported’ Streetlites for the Sapphire 34/35, and those originally intended for the 91, have apparently moved to Kent in return for older Enviros. Thought it was odd I hadn’t seen them about, being the youngest vehicles in the fleet so presumably the most fuel efficient (probably an important factor in the current situation). I guess Compass, Falcon, RATP, Stagecoach and Safeguard would between them safeguard Guildford's bus network, if you get my drift. Routes could be taken over as follows: 34, 35 & 47 to Stagecoach 91 & 436 to Falcon 3, 18, 36/37, A & C to Safeguard 53, 63 & 63x to Compass 479 to RATP I think it's highly unlikely 479 would be taken on by RATP given they were recently surrender the contracts for the local Epsom routes. Also, Metrobus would be a good bet for the 63/63X😉
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 1:05:02 GMT
With White Bus now having a depot in Woking and seemingly snapping up nearly every local route on offer at the moment, I’d say they’d likely come away with something like the 91 (PVR 5) or 436 (PVR 4). Those are both commercial though (bar evening/Sunday 91s which are subsidised), so you could even see potential for competing - mainly on the 91 as that’s a very busy little route.
That said, there’s no evidence Arriva are actually planning to shut up shop! Just that they’ve shipped all their newest vehicles out. At a North West Surrey Bus Users Group meeting a while back, the Guildford depot manager did actually say that the Woking routes (34/35, 91 and 436) were their main earners these days, so moving the Sapphire buses off the 34/35 and other young vehicles off the 91 (as mentioned, a well used route!) is certainly an interesting move.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 5, 2020 1:53:10 GMT
With White Bus now having a depot in Woking and seemingly snapping up nearly every local route on offer at the moment, I’d say they’d likely come away with something like the 91 (PVR 5) or 436 (PVR 4). Those are both commercial though (bar evening/Sunday 91s which are subsidised), so you could even see potential for competing - mainly on the 91 as that’s a very busy little route. That said, there’s no evidence Arriva are actually planning to shut up shop! Just that they’ve shipped all their newest vehicles out. At a North West Surrey Bus Users Group meeting a while back, the Guildford depot manager did actually say that the Woking routes (34/35, 91 and 436) were their main earners these days, so moving the Sapphire buses off the 34/35 and other young vehicles off the 91 (as mentioned, a well used route!) is certainly an interesting move. From an outsider looking in, it seems as if the movement of the newer vehicles to other parts of Southern Counties is to redeploy them in areas they probably deem as more profitable and with Arriva Guildford & Surrey apparently having struggled for a few years, it’s probably more worthwhile to move them elsewhere. This could be the result of what looks like a switch in which subsidiary is the dumping ground within Southern Counties with Arriva Southend holding the title for more than a decade until the investment came in 2009 and the network has gone from strength to strength.
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Post by Lewis J.N. on Apr 5, 2020 19:11:06 GMT
I believe you to be correct : others of Falcon’s ‘461’ batch went to White Bus Service. Just wanted to correct this - both batches were acquired from ADL's 'stock' sales, so they are to the same spec and do follow numberplate series but they were ordered separately. Ours feature Mobitec next-stop systems but I don't believe theirs do. As for Arriva's vehicle switcheroo - I'm lead to believe the idea is to standardise across the depots with all Streetlites at Gillingham, leaving Guildford with Enviros and Citaros.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 17:42:24 GMT
Just wanted to correct this - both batches were acquired from ADL's 'stock' sales, so they are to the same spec and do follow numberplate series but they were ordered separately. Ours feature Mobitec next-stop systems but I don't believe theirs do. Falcon's press release at the time said they were being fitted with next stop displays, but I've not been on one so can't confirm what type they are. www.falconbuses.co.uk/news/new-operators-of-route-461/As for Arriva's vehicle switcheroo - I'm lead to believe the idea is to standardise across the depots with all Streetlites at Gillingham, leaving Guildford with Enviros and Citaros. Not forgetting the Versas too! The Citaros have indeed remained at Guildford, but were taken off the road when the Corona cuts came into force.
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Post by Lewis J.N. on Apr 22, 2020 20:33:00 GMT
Falcon's press release at the time said they were being fitted with next stop displays, but I've not been on one so can't confirm what type they are. www.falconbuses.co.uk/news/new-operators-of-route-461/Not forgetting the Versas too! The Citaros have indeed remained at Guildford, but were taken off the road when the Corona cuts came into force. Yes I remember that press release but they certainly weren't fitted by ADL pre-delivery (as ours were), not sure if they have been now as I haven't been on one recently. I had forgotten the Versas at Guildford.
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Post by snowman on Feb 7, 2021 8:05:34 GMT
According to latest LOTs news, the 715 Guildford-Kingston is seeing some of the electric E200s whilst not needed for suspended P&R services
Didn’t see this coming, but I guess it is one way to meet the LEZ requirements from March
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 7, 2021 11:40:42 GMT
Just wanted to correct this - both batches were acquired from ADL's 'stock' sales, so they are to the same spec and do follow numberplate series but they were ordered separately. Ours feature Mobitec next-stop systems but I don't believe theirs do. Falcon's press release at the time said they were being fitted with next stop displays, but I've not been on one so can't confirm what type they are. www.falconbuses.co.uk/news/new-operators-of-route-461/As for Arriva's vehicle switcheroo - I'm lead to believe the idea is to standardise across the depots with all Streetlites at Gillingham, leaving Guildford with Enviros and Citaros. Not forgetting the Versas too! The Citaros have indeed remained at Guildford, but were taken off the road when the Corona cuts came into force. Arriva has another three-way switch involving Guildford coming up, to ensure that EuroVI emissions-standard vehicles are used on route 724 (Harlow-Heathrow Airport) from 1st March when the London-wide ULEZ comes into force.: Seven ADL Enviro200 MMC to move from Gillingham to Harlow Seven Mercedes Citaros to move from Harlow to Guildford Seven Optare Versas to move from Guildford to Gillingham
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Post by N230UD on Feb 7, 2021 19:31:45 GMT
Falcon's press release at the time said they were being fitted with next stop displays, but I've not been on one so can't confirm what type they are. www.falconbuses.co.uk/news/new-operators-of-route-461/Not forgetting the Versas too! The Citaros have indeed remained at Guildford, but were taken off the road when the Corona cuts came into force. Arriva has another three-way switch involving Guildford coming up, to ensure that EuroVI emissions-standard vehicles are used on route 724 (Harlow-Heathrow Airport) from 1st March when the London-wide ULEZ comes into force.: Seven ADL Enviro200 MMC to move from Gillingham to Harlow Seven Mercedes Citaros to move from Harlow to Guildford Seven Optare Versas to move from Guildford to Gillingham E200 MMCs are really not ideal for the 724 (or any of Harlow’s allocation). I doubt many travel the full route, but even just Watford-Heathrow, some better suited vehicles would be more ideal. I suppose they have no choice.
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 7, 2021 22:58:50 GMT
According to latest LOTs news, the 715 Guildford-Kingston is seeing some of the electric E200s whilst not needed for suspended P&R services Didn’t see this coming, but I guess it is one way to meet the LEZ requirements from March Can confirm this : but I guess once Guildford P&R resumes they will have to go back. At some stage pretty soon the current regular vehicles on the 715 will need to be replaced as none are ULEZ compliant.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 8, 2021 1:10:24 GMT
According to latest LOTs news, the 715 Guildford-Kingston is seeing some of the electric E200s whilst not needed for suspended P&R services Didn’t see this coming, but I guess it is one way to meet the LEZ requirements from March Can confirm this : but I guess once Guildford P&R resumes they will have to go back. At some stage pretty soon the current regular vehicles on the 715 will need to be replaced as none are ULEZ compliant. Either that or withdrawn/curtailed. Shades of what happened when TfL introduced the Euro3 restriction, crippled cross boundary services.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 8, 2021 1:48:46 GMT
Can confirm this : but I guess once Guildford P&R resumes they will have to go back. At some stage pretty soon the current regular vehicles on the 715 will need to be replaced as none are ULEZ compliant. Either that or withdrawn/curtailed. Shades of what happened when TfL introduced the Euro3 restriction, crippled cross boundary services. The 505 being the prime example of that which if I'm not mistaken, was using Volvo B6BLE Crusaders at the time? That would probably explain why Chingford & Kings Head Hill are outside the LEZ
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