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Post by busaholic on Aug 8, 2018 16:43:38 GMT
They might as well just hire some of us. Would you want to work for them?
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Post by COBO on Aug 8, 2018 16:46:33 GMT
They might as well just hire some of us. Would you want to work for them? Of course I would to be honest. I dream of joining TfL to change the bus routes in London.
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Post by rhys on Aug 8, 2018 16:48:53 GMT
Can the 87 even take LTs? Can't see why it couldn't, it seems to be all along main roads with no obvious restrictions. Indeed, plus I believe one has operated on the 87, last year or so, albeit, with paper blinds
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Post by busaholic on Aug 8, 2018 16:54:46 GMT
Would you want to work for them? Of course I would to be honest. I dream of joining TfL to change the bus routes in London. I dreamt of joining London Transport in order to change bus routes (amongst other things) and, despite saying that in my interview, I was offered a job there too! Three and a bit disillusioned years later I left, of my own accord I might add, though a year of it was spent on the Underground side, which I enjoyed more tbh and should have developed, in retrospect.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2018 16:57:40 GMT
I'm going to be positive about this cut (forget consultation, it's a done deal) in that it releases the C2's stand off Regent Street to enable either the 3 or the 15 to be re-extended. If the 3 is not to be extended to Russell Square, as was promised by TfL in the Oxford Street/Crossrail plans, then it will allow them to save face by still nearly providing that link to Crossrail that was promised at TCR. Alternatively, a 15 starting in Regent Street could fill up well with people wanting to go to places between Charing Cross Station and St. Paul's churchyard, including many tourists in my experience: the opportunity to extend the so-called Heritage 15 to the scene of the main Year of the Bus event would exist too (there's space on stand for both with those headways),but I wouldn't hold my breath. I think a 15 extension to Regent Street would be very ideal, considering the cutback of the 23. Few links are left between the City and the West End.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2018 16:58:15 GMT
Can't believe no-one suggested this one before! Oh wait... Interesting snippet in the section about Bus Stands. The Parliament Hill Fields stand will be used by route 88 instead of route C2, with similar buses at a very similar frequency. This would seem to rule out LTs, which are much longer than the existing C2 buses, so I guess a swap is on the cards. Perhaps with LTs going to the 87 as has been suggested before.
Can the 87 even take LTs? The 87 has used LTs before on occassion.
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 8, 2018 17:01:27 GMT
They might as well just hire some all of us. FIFU
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2018 17:14:36 GMT
My concern with this proposal is that the 88 would become quite a long route. It already passes through congested corridors such as Regent Street and Whitehall, so extending it further could have an impact on the route's reliability. As the 27 is due to be cut back to Hammersmith, I think it *may* be a more suitable alternative to extend from Camden. The 88 is currently under 8 miles, so the extension via the C2 to PHF would only make the 88 ~8.5 miles in length which still isn't long. It's current running time of 41-84 mins would only be increased by ~15 mins as the distance between Camden Town and PHF is quite short, so the 88 would be fine. I previously suggested the 22 as an alternative to the 88 to replace the C2, both are good contenders though. The caveat is the 88 at its current frequency might struggle with the displaced passengers from the C2 and the removed assistance via Hampstead Road, so the 88 would need a frequency boost, perhaps a considerable one due to the popular Oxo - Camden Town link. The 22 could also be extended to Camden Town via Hampstead Road, arguably this may seem as defeating the purpose of TFL's intention of reducing the amount of buses between Oxo and Camden Town, but the new links that would be provided with the 22 may actually increase passenger flow within the aforementioned section. Regardless of the length, the 88 serves several congestion-prone areas along its existing route, so an extension could affect reliability for that reason. This is why the 27 could be a better alternative to extend to Parliament Hill. When cut back to Hammersmith, it will only be about 7 miles long, and additionally the areas it serves are not as congested as the 88's section between Westminster and Oxford Circus. This would break some links towards Oxford Circus, but I would additionally re-route the 134 to Oxford Circus. The corridor is within walking distance to the existing routeing to TCR, but removes duplicating the 24/29 on this section to partially replace the C2 (with links towards Kentish Town). The 27 would keep its existing routeing to Camden Town, then extended to Parliament Hill, with the 88 going via Albany Street. The 88 and 134 would then vary in routeing towards Camden, to replace the C2 while continuing the link via Warren Street and Hampstead Road. The 134 could possibly use the C2's stand at Regent Street is there is no space at Oxford Circus.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Aug 8, 2018 17:41:23 GMT
We all knew this was coming in some way or another. Shame the C2 is in the process of being withdrawn, the Victoria to PHF route it had was so brilliant. Why TfL felt the need to hack it to it's demise goodness knows.
On the other hand, the extension of the 88 makes quite interesting connecting South London with inner North West London. It will a good PVR increase to maintain its 8 min frequency. Also comes into question in this consultation, what vehicles the 88 is going to use as it mentions "similar buses" being used what are currently on the C2 meaning conventional buses being used instead of the LTs. As others have said, the LTs should onto the 87 with its vehicles moved to the 88 plus some new top up for the 88's new PVR whatever that may be.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2018 17:52:21 GMT
I'm going to be positive about this cut (forget consultation, it's a done deal) in that it releases the C2's stand off Regent Street to enable either the 3 or the 15 to be re-extended. If the 3 is not to be extended to Russell Square, as was promised by TfL in the Oxford Street/Crossrail plans, then it will allow them to save face by still nearly providing that link to Crossrail that was promised at TCR. Alternatively, a 15 starting in Regent Street could fill up well with people wanting to go to places between Charing Cross Station and St. Paul's churchyard, including many tourists in my experience: the opportunity to extend the so-called Heritage 15 to the scene of the main Year of the Bus event would exist too (there's space on stand for both with those headways),but I wouldn't hold my breath. Much more likely that TfL will use the Conduit St stand to curtail the 159 and remove it from Oxford St (west). Forget about the 3 and 15 being re-extended.
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Post by ronnie on Aug 8, 2018 17:52:53 GMT
Slightly off-topic but given this consultation, I am wondering if I should start looking at routes which have been hacked back / have had drastic reduction in frequencies (or "curtailed to avoid overbussing"). the 100 and RV1 come to mind
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Post by misty on Aug 8, 2018 17:53:57 GMT
Would an LT be capable of turning at PHF. From what I remember that roundabout at the terminus is difficult enough for the C2 exciting buses
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 8, 2018 18:18:50 GMT
TfL have been reading the forum again. Goodbye C2, hello extended 88, goodbye link to Oxford Circus via Mornington Crescent / Hampstead Road. Oh and Ribbit, Ribbit Hopper ticket. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-c2-88/Can't believe no-one suggested this one before! Oh wait...
Interesting snippet in the section about Bus Stands. The Parliament Hill Fields stand will be used by route 88 instead of route C2, with similar buses at a very similar frequency. This would seem to rule out LTs, which are much longer than the existing C2 buses, so I guess a swap is on the cards. Perhaps with LTs going to the 87 as has been suggested before.
Alternatively, if TfL takes the decision that a full mid-life refurbishment for the LTs is not going to be cost-effective, the LTs from the 88 could be reallocated to other garages allowing the worst examples to leave the fleet. I have tried to hide my glee at the thought of this scenario happening, i hope I have succeeded
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Post by redbus on Aug 8, 2018 18:25:42 GMT
Would you want to work for them? Of course I would to be honest. I dream of joining TfL to change the bus routes in London. Kind of, there's a very large part of me that would like to make changes to improve things for the passenger. At the moment I would struggle because the changes are all about a reduction in service for passengers which I think is the wrong way forward for a city like London. Although I realise this is a bus forum I do have other interests and am also interested in other forms of transport (shock horror!), so I might not wish to be limited to just buses.
I more I think about the more I'd like to set overall direction to improve things and help people, but you really need to be something like Transport Commissioner or Mayor to do that.
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Post by redbus on Aug 8, 2018 18:33:24 GMT
Can't believe no-one suggested this one before! Oh wait...
Interesting snippet in the section about Bus Stands. The Parliament Hill Fields stand will be used by route 88 instead of route C2, with similar buses at a very similar frequency. This would seem to rule out LTs, which are much longer than the existing C2 buses, so I guess a swap is on the cards. Perhaps with LTs going to the 87 as has been suggested before.
Alternatively, if TfL takes the decision that a full mid-life refurbishment for the LTs is not going to be cost-effective, the LTs from the 88 could be reallocated to other garages allowing the worst examples to leave the fleet. I have tried to hide my glee at the thought of this scenario happening, i hope I have succeeded LTs for enthusiasts are bit like marmite, you either hate them or love them. I don't think most passengers are too bothered though. I reckon they will get a mid-life refurbishment because too much has been invested in them, and it will be far cheaper to refurbish them than buy new buses. Although they are a unique design they do have many 'standard' type parts and batteries can be replaced, as can the diesel engines. Electric engines should have a much longer lifespan as should the Siemens Elfa II hybrid system, and should not need refurbishment after say 7 years. Therefore I would not bet against refurbishment - sorry to disappoint those who dislike LTs..
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