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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 14:45:08 GMT
Here we are nearly 2 weeks into Autumn; still with no sign of revised findings and new proposals that were due to be published in 'Spring 2019'...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:23:42 GMT
Here we are nearly 2 weeks into Autumn; still with no sign of revised findings and new proposals that were due to be published in 'Spring 2019'... And here we still are... days away from 2020... Anyone know what's going on with these proposals?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 15:00:01 GMT
A year ago tomorrow since TFL released the consultation results and still nothing updated up till now. I'm assuming these changes have been subject to further consultation and have developed alternative proposals
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Post by rebbelhead on Feb 19, 2020 15:53:02 GMT
A year ago tomorrow since TFL released the consultation results and still nothing updated up till now. I'm assuming these changes have been subject to further consultation and have developed alternative proposals Nope, don't think so. The response to the consultation was basically that "we're having a rethink and will let you know in the Spring", and hat there may be further consultation needed depending on the outcome. That was last year of course, and since then absolutely nothing has been heard (I was a consultee both personally as a resident and on behalf of a local community organisation). They didn't actually say Spring 2019, maybe they meant some other year? In the meantime a goodly number of disadvantaged residents who depend on the very local nature of the 384 have been living with a cloud over them, not knowing whether their essential link is going to be whipped away from them. TfL of course don't care.
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Post by uakari on Apr 16, 2020 17:05:42 GMT
MY 12 APRIL EMAIL TO ANDREW DISMORE REGARDING TEMPORARY EXTENSION OF ROUTE N20 TO BARNET HOPSITAL, PLUS DISCUSSING ROUTE 384 CONSULTATION:
"Further to your post on Twitter that TfL has temporarily extended night bus route N20 from Barnet Church to terminate at Barnet Hospital, for the benefit of the increasing number of hospital workers working night shifts at the moment, this is good news.
"I wanted to ask if you might be able to ask TfL to consider making this extension of route N20 to Barnet Hospital permanent? As well as not serving the hospital, the N20 doesn't really penetrate High Barnet properly by terminating at Barnet Church, so a permanent extension to the hospital would also bring a wider residential area of High Barnet within walking distance of the night bus network.
"The 307 runs as far as the hospital but only runs 24 hours on Friday and Saturday nights, and all weekend-only night services are currently suspended, including the 307. It would be good therefore, for the N20 to provide a night link between central London and Barnet Hospital and residential areas of High Barnet and during weeknights when the 307 does not run, and also to link with the night tube on weekends (once it resumes) as people would then be able to catch the N20 between High Barnet tube station and all stops as far as Barnet Hospital.
"Also, I don't suppose you've heard anything more about the 384 route consultation, as the online consultation page has not produced any updates for over a year? I think this matter has rather got tied into the redevelopment of High Barnet station and the potential movement of the northbound Barnet Hill bus stop to make access from the station easier, which are still at the design stage. I know right now is obviously not the right time, but it would be good if you could perhaps ask TfL to update at some point regarding the 384 and pass this information on. I shall then be able to update everyone on the 'Save the 384 bus' Facebook page.
"I am also planning to write some comments on the inconclusive consultation report for the 384 that came out in February 2019, as well as about the redevelopment proposals for High Barnet tube station.
"For example, although easier access to northbound buses from the station is welcome, I think that it would be better to keep the existing northbound bus stop as well as adding a new bus stop further down the hill closer to the station access road, as otherwise there would be a very long gap between stops until Barnet Church, and the current northbound bus stop is also useful for people connecting with QE Girls' School and the surrounding roads. Prioritising the pedestrian crossing across Barnet Hill more in favour of pedestrians is also needed, as the lights take far too long to turn red currently.
"I also think the designers are missing a trick by not planning to configure the road layout in the station grounds to allow at least one bus route to serve the station grounds themselves (the 384 northbound would be ideal for this as it is the only route that goes on to serve all the key destinations of Barnet High Street, The Spires and Barnet Hospital). Perhaps once I've written my comments on these matters I could share them with you, in case they would be useful in your discussions with TfL, etc?"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 11:32:30 GMT
Results Updated 24 Apr 2020 Following the outcome of consultation, we have now reviewed and sought costs for the alternative solutions that were presented to us as part of the feedback. We reviewed the following options:
Rerouteing the 384 as proposed between Cockfosters and Victoria Road but then running it via East Barnet Road, Longmore Avenue, Lyonsdown Road and Gloucester Road Running the 384 on the same routeing as now Rerouteing the 384 as consulted on but also rerouteing the 234 from Great North Road via Lyonsdown Road and Gloucester Road. None of these options provided us with a better or more cost effective use of our resources than the original proposal. Therefore we have decided to implement the changes that were originally consulted on. We have updated our EQIA to better reflect the impact on those people who travel using freedom passes.
Updated EqIA (PDF xxKB)
About time after a whole year, but no mention of when the change will happen, so I'm assuming that the 292 will probably get its frequency cut and 606 will get its cut too
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Post by VWH1414 on Apr 24, 2020 11:44:41 GMT
Results Updated 24 Apr 2020 Following the outcome of consultation, we have now reviewed and sought costs for the alternative solutions that were presented to us as part of the feedback. We reviewed the following options: Rerouteing the 384 as proposed between Cockfosters and Victoria Road but then running it via East Barnet Road, Longmore Avenue, Lyonsdown Road and Gloucester Road Running the 384 on the same routeing as now Rerouteing the 384 as consulted on but also rerouteing the 234 from Great North Road via Lyonsdown Road and Gloucester Road. None of these options provided us with a better or more cost effective use of our resources than the original proposal. Therefore we have decided to implement the changes that were originally consulted on. We have updated our EQIA to better reflect the impact on those people who travel using freedom passes. Updated EqIA (PDF xxKB) About time after a whole year, but no mention of when the change will happen, so I'm assuming that the 292 will probably get its frequency cut and 606 will get its cut too Will be nice to finally have a direct link to Barnet - but its a shame they don't make more use of the 384 at this end of the route i.e. at Hale Lane instead of following the 221/240/292 to Edgware it should go down the other side of Hale Lane to Mill Hill Broadway and then replace the lost 303 link along Deansbrook Road to Edgware. Its also a shame the 292 has to receive a cut as the 384 doesn't really help the 292 as such, if anything the Stirling Corner - Apex Corner is one of the quieter parts of the route, most people use it to get from Colindale/Burnt Oak/Edgware to Borehamwood and vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 11:58:42 GMT
Results Updated 24 Apr 2020 Following the outcome of consultation, we have now reviewed and sought costs for the alternative solutions that were presented to us as part of the feedback. We reviewed the following options: Rerouteing the 384 as proposed between Cockfosters and Victoria Road but then running it via East Barnet Road, Longmore Avenue, Lyonsdown Road and Gloucester Road Running the 384 on the same routeing as now Rerouteing the 384 as consulted on but also rerouteing the 234 from Great North Road via Lyonsdown Road and Gloucester Road. None of these options provided us with a better or more cost effective use of our resources than the original proposal. Therefore we have decided to implement the changes that were originally consulted on. We have updated our EQIA to better reflect the impact on those people who travel using freedom passes. Updated EqIA (PDF xxKB) About time after a whole year, but no mention of when the change will happen, so I'm assuming that the 292 will probably get its frequency cut and 606 will get its cut too Will be nice to finally have a direct link to Barnet - but its a shame they don't make more use of the 384 at this end of the route i.e. at Hale Lane instead of following the 221/240/292 to Edgware it should go down the other side of Hale Lane to Mill Hill Broadway and then replace the lost 303 link along Deansbrook Road to Edgware. Its also a shame the 292 has to receive a cut as the 384 doesn't really help the 292 as such, if anything the Stirling Corner - Apex Corner is one of the quieter parts of the route, most people use it to get from Colindale/Burnt Oak/Edgware to Borehamwood and vice versa. Now that the 384 extension is going ahead, the 384 will need extra DEMs, I wonder what PB will plan to do. I could see the 234 possibly being part DEM/DE with some of the 234s DEMs going to the 384
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Post by ian on Apr 24, 2020 12:10:09 GMT
Hurrah! Finally got there...
It does say route tests in September 2020 so I presume the changes will happen shortly after that.
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Post by VWH1414 on Apr 24, 2020 12:10:34 GMT
Will be nice to finally have a direct link to Barnet - but its a shame they don't make more use of the 384 at this end of the route i.e. at Hale Lane instead of following the 221/240/292 to Edgware it should go down the other side of Hale Lane to Mill Hill Broadway and then replace the lost 303 link along Deansbrook Road to Edgware. Its also a shame the 292 has to receive a cut as the 384 doesn't really help the 292 as such, if anything the Stirling Corner - Apex Corner is one of the quieter parts of the route, most people use it to get from Colindale/Burnt Oak/Edgware to Borehamwood and vice versa. Now that the 384 extension is going ahead, the 384 will need extra DEMs, I wonder what PB will plan to do. I could see the 234 possibly being part DEM/DE with some of the 234s DEMs going to the 384 There should currently be 4 spare DEMs - There is 30 altogether (DEM1337-1359/1912-1918) and the 234, 382 & 384 need 26 in total (including spares), 234 has a TVR of 10, 382 has a TVR of 10 and 384 has a TVR of 6. It will all depend on what the PVR will be raised to - if its 9 with 1 spare then there will be exactly 30. Now the 234 is cleared for DEs though if it is slightly more then I guess a few extra DEs can transfer to PB, but even then I doubt there will be many - I can see the 384 PVR increasing to somewhere between 9-12. Will be interesting to see when it is implemented though considering now date was given.
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Post by kmkcheng on Apr 24, 2020 12:14:04 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Apr 24, 2020 12:14:27 GMT
Will be nice to finally have a direct link to Barnet - but its a shame they don't make more use of the 384 at this end of the route i.e. at Hale Lane instead of following the 221/240/292 to Edgware it should go down the other side of Hale Lane to Mill Hill Broadway and then replace the lost 303 link along Deansbrook Road to Edgware. Its also a shame the 292 has to receive a cut as the 384 doesn't really help the 292 as such, if anything the Stirling Corner - Apex Corner is one of the quieter parts of the route, most people use it to get from Colindale/Burnt Oak/Edgware to Borehamwood and vice versa. Now that the 384 extension is going ahead, the 384 will need extra DEMs, I wonder what PB will plan to do. I could see the 234 possibly being part DEM/DE with some of the 234s DEMs going to the 384 PB already has extra DEM's as there is a enough DE's for a full allocation on the 491 - it originally started with a couple of DEM's allocated. Have to say, from an outsiders view, it's a very poor change to existing users of the 384 who now have longer distances to stops. The fact that TfL changed their own rules for this change as well is very concerning using a 450m distance but then returning to 400m on other changes. Poor 292 passengers as well - not sure a link to Edgware link should come at the cost of making access difficult for current 384 passengers & reducing the 292's frequency.
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Post by VWH1414 on Apr 24, 2020 12:34:26 GMT
Now that the 384 extension is going ahead, the 384 will need extra DEMs, I wonder what PB will plan to do. I could see the 234 possibly being part DEM/DE with some of the 234s DEMs going to the 384 PB already has extra DEM's as there is a enough DE's for a full allocation on the 491 - it originally started with a couple of DEM's allocated. Have to say, from an outsiders view, it's a very poor change to existing users of the 384 who now have longer distances to stops. The fact that TfL changed their own rules for this change as well is very concerning using a 450m distance but then returning to 400m on other changes. Poor 292 passengers as well - not sure a link to Edgware link should come at the cost of making access difficult for current 384 passengers & reducing the 292's frequency. Sadly it was a similar deal with the 303/305 changes - Now takes me 10-12 minutes to walk to Mill Hill Broadway to get the 221 or 240 to Edgware, or 6 minutes to Watling Avenue to get the 186 or 251, compared to 2 minutes to get the 303 - which allowed me to time it up with leaving the house, and it also took the most direct route for me. I like the fact there will now be a direct Edgware to Barnet link, but I feel the 292 suffering because of it shouldn't happen - I also think they could do more with the 384 at the Edgware end of the route i.e. route it via Mill Hill Broadway and Deansbrook Road replacing the old 303 link. I feel like at the Barnet end they should also maybe replace some of the worst affected 384 roads either with a re-route of the 234 or with the 389/399 having extra journeys added during the daytime and re-routed to serve some of the 384s roads. I think the 384 idea is a good idea, but TfL could of done a lot more thinking to make it more useful for existing and new users.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 12:41:15 GMT
I feel like I can see the 107 passenger usage slightly dropping when the 384 gets extended to Edgware if people from Edgware are wanting to get to Barnet High Street and New Barnet quicker, they'll probably just switch to the 384.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 24, 2020 13:16:19 GMT
PB already has extra DEM's as there is a enough DE's for a full allocation on the 491 - it originally started with a couple of DEM's allocated. Have to say, from an outsiders view, it's a very poor change to existing users of the 384 who now have longer distances to stops. The fact that TfL changed their own rules for this change as well is very concerning using a 450m distance but then returning to 400m on other changes. Poor 292 passengers as well - not sure a link to Edgware link should come at the cost of making access difficult for current 384 passengers & reducing the 292's frequency. Sadly it was a similar deal with the 303/305 changes - Now takes me 10-12 minutes to walk to Mill Hill Broadway to get the 221 or 240 to Edgware, or 6 minutes to Watling Avenue to get the 186 or 251, compared to 2 minutes to get the 303 - which allowed me to time it up with leaving the house, and it also took the most direct route for me. I like the fact there will now be a direct Edgware to Barnet link, but I feel the 292 suffering because of it shouldn't happen - I also think they could do more with the 384 at the Edgware end of the route i.e. route it via Mill Hill Broadway and Deansbrook Road replacing the old 303 link. I feel like at the Barnet end they should also maybe replace some of the worst affected 384 roads either with a re-route of the 234 or with the 389/399 having extra journeys added during the daytime and re-routed to serve some of the 384s roads. I think the 384 idea is a good idea, but TfL could of done a lot more thinking to make it more useful for existing and new users. The Edgware link is a nice idea but for me, it shouldn’t be at the cost of existing 384 users. Also, I could be wrong but it seems to me they’re slowly killing off the 107 & 292. I’m actually a bit confused as to why the 384 couldn’t simply stay as it is but extend to Edgware as most of its current route is away from traffic so I wouldn’t of thought reliability would be affected that much.
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