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Post by uakari on Jul 18, 2020 21:48:54 GMT
Further instructions to register for Zoom meeting about 384 bus this Monday 20 July at 6:30pm I don't know how many people will have their audio/video connected or whether we'll all just have to use the text chat facility, but I hope you can make it (you need to download Zoom first). The email gives a webinar ID but then says the host has to confirm your place. I think they are making it deliberately complicated in the hope not many people will show up - despite emailing to register interest, I never actually received this invitation myself, and someone else who did had to forward it to me. They are also asking people to email questions in advance to localcommunitiesandpartnerships@tfl.gov.uk ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Local Communities and Partnerships <LocalCommunitiesandPartnerships@tfl.gov.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 17:36 Subject: Joining instructions - webinar regarding Barnet bus service changes To: Dear all Thank you for registering your interest in our online webinar to discuss changes to the 384, 292 and 606 bus services. To formally register for the webinar please visit this link - us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_mXeBt-Q0Q9yL8YydZcwr2g You may have already used Zoom for meetings and keeping in touch during lockdown and we will be using the webinar function for this event. Webinars are ideal for events with large audiences and are designed so that the host and panellists can share their video, audio and screen.. Webinar attendees are able to interact with the host via Questions and Answers, and using the chat function. We also invite you to suggest any questions you have in advance which you can submit by email to LocalCommunitiesandPartnerships@tfl.gov.uk Please note that while we envisage there will be plenty of space for anyone who wishes to join, this is not unlimited, so we advise registering as soon as possible to secure your place. Please note that you must register in advance of the webinar beginning. Thank you and we look forward to seeing you on Monday. Yours Geoff Hobbs Director of Public Transport Service Planning Transport for London
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Post by ian on Jul 19, 2020 9:42:19 GMT
The new report looks pretty comprehensive. It will be very interesting to see what the take up of the new route is in due course, how the potential reliability issues along the A1 in the peaks will be managed and so on.
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Post by uakari on Jul 20, 2020 11:57:16 GMT
If you have registered for the Zoom meeting tonight, you should now have received the following email with a unique link to join the meeting. If you have not received this and want to join, please email localcommunitiesandpartnerships@tfl.gov.uk as soon as possible before this evening. They are also inviting everyone to submit questions to that address in advance. Also, the meeting ID is 833 4667 3230:
Hi,
Thank you for registering for "Bus Route 384: Virtual Public Meeting".
Please submit any questions to: LocalCommunitiesandPartnerships@tfl.gov.uk
Date Time: Jul 20, 2020 06:30 PM London
Join from a PC, Mac, iPad, iPhone or Android device:
Note: This link should not be shared with others; it is unique to you.
Description: This webinar will explain TfL’s planned changes to the 384 bus route and allow attendees to raise questions with our panel of experts regarding these proposals. Kind regards Local Communities & Partnerships Team
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 19:49:14 GMT
An interesting discussion at the webinar this evening to say the least... does anyone have any opinions on the answers Geoff and his colleagues shared? I had no idea that there was a judicial review going on, that took me by surprise but I can see why it has come to this! I believe the session was recorded too, for anyone who wishes to play it back and see the responses to questions from members of the public.
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Post by dan15003 on Jul 20, 2020 20:31:45 GMT
You've definitely been vocal about your opinion on this forum, so I do look forward to your comments and questions to PTSP at the webinar on Monday. I know it seems like the changes are set in stone but surely they wouldn't just do this meeting out of courtesy? Perhaps to cover their legal backside with regards to consulting the local community before a change is implemented etc. We shall see. I cannot see how that meeting would be anything other than a legal backside cover out of courtesy. Everything is set for the 29-Aug change and we are rapidly approaching the iBus Caesar upload date. Personally, I don't agree with any of the changes because half of hilly Barnet will now be unserved and the route's reliability could go down the pan on the A1 Barnet Way. The A1 Barnet Way especially from the M25 junction to Apex Corner and Mill Hill is a complete and utter nightmare especially at school times. So good luck.
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Post by uakari on Jul 20, 2020 22:45:35 GMT
An interesting discussion at the webinar this evening to say the least... does anyone have any opinions on the answers Geoff and his colleagues shared? I had no idea that there was a judicial review going on, that took me by surprise but I can see why it has come to this! I believe the session was recorded too, for anyone who wishes to play it back and see the responses to questions from members of the public. My opinion is that it was a farce, not a meeting. They actually answered barely any of the questions (most were sent in advance and I know many people sent them), didn't even use the full hour, didn't open the floor. They deliberately chose the pandemic so they would be least accountable. They ignored our pleas for meetings and engagement for 18 months and even after they published the decision in April, kicked it into the long grass, then saw their opportunity to sneak out the decision and implementation when people could least fight back. The judicial review is being launched by a resident of Salisbury Road, which was why they used that as an excuse not to answer any of the Salisbury Road questions. There are many grounds for a judicial review into the consultation process: the fact they conducted the consultation on the basis that 'residents would remain within 450m of a bus', when this was later shown to be false in their post-consultation EqIA, is just one. The council could choose to fund one, but they don't care enough about bus users. As you saw from the panel, these are not people who care about the elderly, disabled and any other people in Barnet who will be struggling up hills over 630 metres to their nearest bus. They are hard-nosed and callous and want to run TfL like a business. They have nothing but contempt for the people who pay for and depend on their services and who made the effort to respond to their sham of a consultation. Shame on them. They think this is over - that 'meeting' only made people angrier and more determined to fight back. They haven't heard the last of this by a long chalk.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 20, 2020 23:26:55 GMT
An interesting discussion at the webinar this evening to say the least... does anyone have any opinions on the answers Geoff and his colleagues shared? I had no idea that there was a judicial review going on, that took me by surprise but I can see why it has come to this! I believe the session was recorded too, for anyone who wishes to play it back and see the responses to questions from members of the public. Where would be able to watch this - might give it a watch later this week?
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Post by uakari on Jul 20, 2020 23:29:48 GMT
An interesting discussion at the webinar this evening to say the least... does anyone have any opinions on the answers Geoff and his colleagues shared? I had no idea that there was a judicial review going on, that took me by surprise but I can see why it has come to this! I believe the session was recorded too, for anyone who wishes to play it back and see the responses to questions from members of the public. Where would be able to watch this - might give it a watch later this week? Good luck getting TfL to release the recording! They'll probably make you do an FOI request.
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Post by ian on Jul 21, 2020 7:36:55 GMT
An interesting discussion at the webinar this evening to say the least... does anyone have any opinions on the answers Geoff and his colleagues shared? I had no idea that there was a judicial review going on, that took me by surprise but I can see why it has come to this! I believe the session was recorded too, for anyone who wishes to play it back and see the responses to questions from members of the public. I thought it was pretty reasonable in the circumstances. Geoff Hobbs was well informed on much of the detail. In fact I thought it was rather good he had walked some parts of the roads in question and said he'd driven a 384 as well. I thought it was a bit of a shame the legitimate questions from people in Borehamwood were decried by some other participants as somehow a ploy to distract from the 384 Barnet issues - they were legitimate issues to raise. I am not sure what anyone was expecting, but I couldn't have seen it being much different to what it was; they weren't about to re-open the decision in a webinar. P.S. I also thought it was quite interesting that the average use is only four passengers per bus at the moment, and that they expect the improved journey times (e.g. - 9 mins Cockfosters to Barnet and -20 mins Barnet to Edgware would drive up patronage by 30% for the same costs).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 9:44:52 GMT
Where would be able to watch this - might give it a watch later this week? Good luck getting TfL to release the recording! They'll probably make you do an FOI request. I'll have a look on the system when I'm back in the office, I'm sure it's saved somewhere in the ether.
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Post by uakari on Jul 21, 2020 15:00:00 GMT
An interesting discussion at the webinar this evening to say the least... does anyone have any opinions on the answers Geoff and his colleagues shared? I had no idea that there was a judicial review going on, that took me by surprise but I can see why it has come to this! I believe the session was recorded too, for anyone who wishes to play it back and see the responses to questions from members of the public. I thought it was pretty reasonable in the circumstances. Geoff Hobbs was well informed on much of the detail. In fact I thought it was rather good he had walked some parts of the roads in question and said he'd driven a 384 as well. I thought it was a bit of a shame the legitimate questions from people in Borehamwood were decried by some other participants as somehow a ploy to distract from the 384 Barnet issues - they were legitimate issues to raise. I am not sure what anyone was expecting, but I couldn't have seen it being much different to what it was; they weren't about to re-open the decision in a webinar. P.S. I also thought it was quite interesting that the average use is only four passengers per bus at the moment, and that they expect the improved journey times (e.g. - 9 mins Cockfosters to Barnet and -20 mins Barnet to Edgware would drive up patronage by 30% for the same costs). TfL haven't released any figures to show how much of their projected growth in passenger numbers would be because of removing the roads in Barnet, rather than just because of the extension to Edgware. They have ignored all requests to release those figures so far, and also to release figures showing how much of their stated reduction in per hour usage of the 384 was since they reduced the frequency in 2017 (when they were already having meeetings about withdrawing the roads altogether), rather than before that. It was clear that none of the panelists knew much about the area - they seem to think there is an East Barnet station! I know for a fact that Geoff Hobbs has never actually walked the full distances from the roads OFF the road uphill, which will be the ones suffering the 630m distances to a stop. So he's driven some parts of the route once in his car (he never said he'd driven the bus itself) - luckily for him he can afford to run a car so doesn't have to struggle up the hills like he intends others to do. In fact all the panelists bar Geoff Hobbs were superfluous and didn't say anything of note. The discussion about Borehamwood and the 292 is about a five minute drop in frequency. TfL do this all the time and don't have even consultations about it - in fact they did it to the 384 in 2017. This pales into comparison with cutting people in Barnet off from the bus network entirely. So yes, they did use it as a distraction, especially as they then didn't even go on to use the full rest of the hour.
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Post by foxhat on Aug 12, 2020 16:17:08 GMT
Some more Barnet residents have only discovered the new 384 routing and safe to say there isn't a positive word for it ...
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Post by ian on Aug 21, 2020 14:34:48 GMT
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Post by lonmark on Aug 27, 2020 11:07:13 GMT
I thought I give a go to ride on that route 384 for last time as it was not my local area anyway.
I have to say not many people get on my bus as one trip as I see.
However, one man asks the bus driver the question about where is a bus stop and which route it go when it all changes from Saturday 29th.
It didn't seem busy to me but I may be at different times!
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Post by uakari on Aug 27, 2020 23:10:14 GMT
I thought I give a go to ride on that route 384 for last time as it was not my local area anyway. I have to say not many people get on my bus as one trip as I see. However, one man asks the bus driver the question about where is a bus stop and which route it go when it all changes from Saturday 29th. It didn't seem busy to me but I may be at different times! Did you notice any signs on the bus stops or hail-and-ride posts advising of the changes to the route and informing passengers where to go?
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