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Post by redexpress on Apr 14, 2020 20:10:28 GMT
For my local area RM/Ls for the 10 Ms for the 43 On loan Paxton tridents from first for the 4? TPs for the 271 TPLs for the 134 and C2 DLD for the W5 DP? DLD for the C11/143 TPs for the 17 Olympians for the 4 on their last few days If there are any corrections please do let me know The TPLs hardly ever appeared on the C2 - it was meant to be restricted to short buses, so TPs and VPs. The turn at Parliament Hill Fields was even tighter than it is now. The Darts on the W5 were coded DLM, meaning they were 8.9m single-door buses whereas DLDs were 10.1m dual-door.
Metroline did indeed hire some Tridents from First in order to meet TfL's deadline for all buses to be wheelchair-accessible by the end of Dec 2005. Enviro400s had been ordered to (indirectly) replace the Olympians on the 4 but as the E400 was a brand new type - this was the first order anyone had placed - entry into service was a bit late. First had just lost the 27 so were able to supply Tridents until the E400s arrived. Similarly Metroline had to hire Darts from London United (ex-route 33) to cover late delivery of the 214's DLDs. The existing Darts on the route were low-floor but didn't have wheelchair ramps.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 14, 2020 20:28:56 GMT
That was around the same time any non low floor buses were banned and the 213 amazingly was seeing Single Deck buses and I think the 154 saw one aswell on an occasiona.
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Post by selondon on Apr 15, 2020 0:12:22 GMT
What's the earliest routes remembered as a child and what type buses were then used? Mine would be Kentish Bus P4 with leyland national’s followed by the wright bodied handy bus run by selkent. Route 108 Kentish bus leyland lynx followed by northern counties dart 122 with the Olympians Route L1 with the Mercedes buses. (Starrider?) Back to the original question Route 162 is one of the few routes that was DD and converted to SD and keeping its same route with no cut backs/route changes from memory. It was always empty when it was DD |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 15, 2020 0:35:02 GMT
Only proper buses were RT and variants and Routemaster.custom made for London Buses not off the peg. And may I ask that threads about bus types be in The Bus Fleet thread not Bus Routes? Everyone's definition of proper buses is different, usually based on what they grew up with - mine would be the one door breed from the DMS to the Volvo Olympian & Scania Cityzen. The same why I find RT's & RM's as just fine unlike others who enjoy them and why the younger gen would be mad over stuff like Darts, ALX400's & Gemini's. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 15, 2020 6:03:39 GMT
What's the earliest routes remembered as a child and what type buses were then used? Mine would be Kentish Bus P4 with leyland national’s followed by the wright bodied handy bus run by selkent. Route 108 Kentish bus leyland lynx followed by northern counties dart 122 with the Olympians Route L1 with the Mercedes buses. (Starrider?) Back to the original question Route 162 is one of the few routes that was DD and converted to SD and keeping its same route with no cut backs/route changes from memory. It was always empty when it was DD The 162 went to Petts Wood when it was scheduled for double deckers. |
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Post by redexpress on Apr 15, 2020 7:09:17 GMT
What's the earliest routes remembered as a child and what type buses were then used? Mine would be Kentish Bus P4 with leyland national’s followed by the wright bodied handy bus run by selkent. Route 108 Kentish bus leyland lynx followed by northern counties dart 122 with the Olympians Route L1 with the Mercedes buses. (Starrider?) Back to the original question Route 162 is one of the few routes that was DD and converted to SD and keeping its same route with no cut backs/route changes from memory. It was always empty when it was DD On paper 108 had Volvo B6s rather than Darts - they looked very similar to the Darts, with the same Northern Counties bodywork, but were slightly longer. Darts did appear as well of course. I never got to ride on the step-entrance B6s so I have no idea what they were like compared to the Darts. |
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Post by M1104 on Apr 15, 2020 13:47:57 GMT
Check out 'Ian Armstrongs web page' for '196' Plenty of photos of the different operators' buses  But no L class ... I am pretty sure the Ts at N worked the 196, but as previously stated, no recollection of a L on the route. An example of such short term workings, L163 doing the deed on January 5th 1987  |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 15, 2020 14:11:03 GMT
What's the earliest routes remembered as a child and what type buses were then used? Back to the original question Route 162 is one of the few routes that was DD and converted to SD and keeping its same route with no cut backs/route changes from memory. It was always empty when it was DD What about the diversion via the back roads in Chislehurst - wasn't this why deckers and longer single deckers were stopped from the route due the narrow roads & tight turns? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2020 14:44:43 GMT
Yes it was. I recall some objections in the Avery Hill area that delayed the start of the route and kept it as just Beckenham Junction and Chislehurst. I think the route was only DD anyways due to TB not having enough SDs for the uptake of the contract.
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Post by lonmark on Apr 15, 2020 15:42:52 GMT
Yes it was. I recall some objections in the Avery Hill area that delayed the start of the route and kept it as just Beckenham Junction and Chislehurst. I think the route was only DD anyways due to TB not having enough SDs for the uptake of the contract. I believe that people was ask for this bus countines to Eltham area rather than terminate at Avery Hill, however some local road people who live there was against bus 162 run along the one road. It was mean to start on March but got delayed until October and TfL decide to extended route 162 further to Eltham station instead of Avery Hill Area. I used to live in Edgehill road and was happy to have bus 162 near me. Now today, route 162 have growing more passengers using it over many past years. |
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Post by londonboy71 on Apr 15, 2020 17:32:42 GMT
Only proper buses were RT and variants and Routemaster.custom made for London Buses not off the peg. And may I ask that threads about bus types be in The Bus Fleet thread not Bus Routes? Everyone's definition of proper buses is different, usually based on what they grew up with - mine would be the one door breed from the DMS to the Volvo Olympian & Scania Cityzen. The same why I find RT's & RM's as just fine unlike others who enjoy them and why the younger gen would be mad over stuff like Darts, ALX400's & Gemini's. |
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Post by londonboy71 on Apr 15, 2020 17:35:15 GMT
Everyone's definition of proper buses is different, usually based on what they grew up with - mine would be the one door breed from the DMS to the Volvo Olympian & Scania Cityzen. The same why I find RT's & RM's as just fine unlike others who enjoy them and why the younger gen would be mad over stuff like Darts, ALX400's & Gemini's. The thing is thst RTs RMs were custom made for London traffic not off the peg like modern day. This is why so many break down |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 15, 2020 18:42:34 GMT
The thing is thst RTs RMs were custom made for London traffic not off the peg like modern day. This is why so many break down The Titan was also built solely for London use in mind and it did it's job clearly by the fact it performed in regular London service for over 20 years yet you disregarded it as 'not a proper bus' Why buses break down today is because they are a lot more advanced than a RT or RM and contain many electronic and mechanical parts in comparison. RM's & RT's were not invulnerable to break downs either - whether modern buses break down more or less is not for me to say. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2020 18:59:35 GMT
I remember the RMs broken down with a bench seat cushion propped up against the back of the bus.
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Post by John tuthill on Apr 15, 2020 19:23:42 GMT
I remember the RMs broken down with a bench seat cushion propped up against the back of the bus. And RT family before that. I'd hazard a guess it went back to horse drawn days with the nosebag? i'd like to know where it did originate from. |
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