|
|
Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 10, 2020 21:33:22 GMT
Thought we've done this question ad nauseum but things fluidly change in the night bus network post Night Tube! In the past (before the N9 went to LT operation) the N9 took the crown for the earliest starting and the latest finishing night route. However now it's the N551 for the earliest night route at 23:20 departing Gallions Reach nightly and on Sundays it's the N8, arriving at Oxford Circus at 07:43 whatever redexpress said!  N551 is indeed the earliest starter. I was about to say that the N91 has an earlier start on Sunday nights (2314 ex Cockfosters) but I've just seen that the new N551 timetable (presumably since HCT took over) has an even earlier start at weekends, with buses leaving Gallions Reach at 2310! The N140 towards Heathrow departs Harrow Weald at 2300 |
|
|
|
Post by TB123 on Apr 10, 2020 22:04:54 GMT
More political but after the Central & West London Bus Changes could we potentially see a decline in the amount of votes for Sadiq Khan due to his controversial changes across London? Very unlikely I'd of thought. The echo chamber isn't that big. Sadiq is also popular with most folks in London - I voted for him to be the Labour Party candidate back in 2015 - I'll vote for him in the mayoral election too. He's done okay given the challenging circumstances. Much better than Boris was. |
|
|
|
Post by jrussa on Apr 10, 2020 22:50:27 GMT
Route N9 before night tube ran quite late. I recall it reaching Heathrow at 8am on weekends and it was ALWAYS busy from Aldwych.
I recall N38 and N73 used to have a random journey around 10:30-11:00pm from Victoria to Walthamstow prior to the end of bendy buses days (2008/9-ish)
|
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2020 23:00:30 GMT
More political but after the Central & West London Bus Changes could we potentially see a decline in the amount of votes for Sadiq Khan due to his controversial changes across London? Very unlikely I'd of thought. The echo chamber isn't that big. Sadiq is also popular with most folks in London - I voted for him to be the Labour Party candidate back in 2015 - I'll vote for him in the mayoral election too. He's done okay given the challenging circumstances. Much better than Boris was. I personally think he has been as bad as Boris - it was a combination of Boris, Khan & the government which has left us in the mess we were in pre-pandemic times - in fact, the only time Khan has actually acted like a mayor is during the pandemic itself. The choice us Londoners have at the next mayoral election is a very poor one - stick with an incumbent who presided over policies that stripped revenue away despite knowing the subsidy had been removed or pick someone who frankly has some very odd views on various subjects |
|
|
|
Post by YY13VKP on Apr 11, 2020 0:19:38 GMT
Very unlikely I'd of thought. The echo chamber isn't that big. Sadiq is also popular with most folks in London - I voted for him to be the Labour Party candidate back in 2015 - I'll vote for him in the mayoral election too. He's done okay given the challenging circumstances. Much better than Boris was. I personally think he has been as bad as Boris - it was a combination of Boris, Khan & the government which has left us in the mess we were in pre-pandemic times - in fact, the only time Khan has actually acted like a mayor is during the pandemic itself. The choice us Londoners have at the next mayoral election is a very poor one - stick with an incumbent who presided over policies that stripped revenue away despite knowing the subsidy had been removed or pick someone who frankly has some very odd views on various subjects I agree with your comments about the upcoming London Mayor Election although I think Boris was better as London Mayor I certainly won't be voting for Sadiq Khan, he has been nothing short of terrible IMO, with his mass cuts to the bus network, failing to deliver Crossrail on time, the list goes on. Yes I know the TfL subsidy was withdrawn by the government but some of the cuts taken were uncalled for, such as messing around with buses going down Oxford Street for a pedestrianisation scheme that ultimately never happened. |
|
|
|
Post by Alex on Apr 11, 2020 2:17:08 GMT
I certainly won't be voting for Sadiq Khan, he has been nothing short of terrible IMO It's all been bad TBH, makes us appreciate people like Ken Livingstone and Tim O'Toole, hopefully there is guidance to get us to better times  |
|
|
|
Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 11, 2020 7:14:52 GMT
I feel as if local MPs are very against Sadiq as a lot of them disagreed with the WLBC and CLBC. What I hope is we get a mayor who takes on local opinions more than sadiq did and not just focus on the financial status. Yes, Sadiq was being very good in reducing the amount of buses along Oxford Street and therefore reducing more traffic but I just don't know if everyone's up for voting after what he's done to people's local routes.
I'd also like Geoff Hobbs gone.
|
|
|
|
Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 11, 2020 8:46:03 GMT
I feel as if local MPs are very against Sadiq as a lot of them disagreed with the WLBC and CLBC. What I hope is we get a mayor who takes on local opinions more than sadiq did and not just focus on the financial status. Yes, Sadiq was being very good in reducing the amount of buses along Oxford Street and therefore reducing more traffic but I just don't know if everyone's up for voting after what he's done to people's local routes. I'd also like Geoff Hobbs gone. Well as you say he was constantly on about changing Oxford Street, the same about the ULEZ and the expanded ULEZ, when it comes to "other" matters that concern the capital, he is almost near mute. ie London murders, police etc. |
|
|
|
Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 11, 2020 9:03:58 GMT
More political but after the Central & West London Bus Changes could we potentially see a decline in the amount of votes for Sadiq Khan due to his controversial changes across London? Very unlikely I'd of thought. The echo chamber isn't that big. Sadiq is also popular with most folks in London - I voted for him to be the Labour Party candidate back in 2015 - I'll vote for him in the mayoral election too. He's done okay given the challenging circumstances. Much better than Boris was. Trouble is as above, people would vote Sadiq, just because he is in the Labour party and like a football team. This is the problem with London it has shifted so far to the left that many wouldn't even think to vote for anyone else. When Ken Livingstone came in, he went as an independent (I voted for him) and went against Labour Frank Dobson who lost badly. Ken was expelled from the Labour party because of this and it was near the end of his term he was allowed back. He then became a labour candidate, I voted then, but that was when the downfall started, high council tax rates, the LEZ which had no consideration for preserved buses and then Ken was not listening. It was no surprise when Boris came in he was a breath of fresh air. I voted for Boris then, he delivered the majority of what he set out to do. The second term it was the same thing, if he had a third term I am sure Khan would not have stood a chance. I and many voted for Khan as he was unique, people love uniqueness and someone different from the norm; hence the reasons why Ken, Boris was popular, Goldsmith was not charismatic enough. Khan has tried to do the Boris approach on seen to be delivering, hence he was so adamant at the Oxford St, Crossrail and ULEZ as on paper it shows achievements, ticks boxes.
There is a lot of people I know said they wouldn't vote for him, they do not like his approach with the coronavirus matters on the news as he seems too text book and just dictating what the WHO or government says. He initially upset bus drivers previously with pay and a few other conditions, now it is worse with his comments about drivers and PPE. If Khan does win it would be by a very low margin. He would only win by die hard supporters, those that would vote because he is a minority, those hardcore Labour supporters. Plus the other candidates IMO are not all that.
|
|
|
|
Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 11, 2020 9:28:01 GMT
I personally think he has been as bad as Boris - it was a combination of Boris, Khan & the government which has left us in the mess we were in pre-pandemic times - in fact, the only time Khan has actually acted like a mayor is during the pandemic itself. The choice us Londoners have at the next mayoral election is a very poor one - stick with an incumbent who presided over policies that stripped revenue away despite knowing the subsidy had been removed or pick someone who frankly has some very odd views on various subjects I agree with your comments about the upcoming London Mayor Election although I think Boris was better as London Mayor I certainly won't be voting for Sadiq Khan, he has been nothing short of terrible IMO, with his mass cuts to the bus network, failing to deliver Crossrail on time, the list goes on. Yes I know the TfL subsidy was withdrawn by the government but some of the cuts taken were uncalled for, such as messing around with buses going down Oxford Street for a pedestrianisation scheme that ultimately never happened. He has also peeed off many Uber drivers who do not want to vote for him due to them not being exempt from congestion charge anymore. Khan knew the money from central government was being withdrawn, but yet he blames them and talks about cuts etc. When it was Ken when he had his battles with Tony Blair as Labour made it difficult for Ken initially because he went as an independent. They would not give ken control over the Underground, so Ken said he was going to boost the bus network and make the buses affordable, frequent and reliable. Ken was against the PPP on the Underground IIRC and it was the Labour government that pushed forward with it, it then eventually failed as we know. Ken set at measures aimed to improve buses for London, then we had Bob Kiley as the commissioner who also help improved things massively for London. Now we have Khan and the sad excuse Mike Brown.
|
|
|
|
Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 11, 2020 9:36:14 GMT
I agree with your comments about the upcoming London Mayor Election although I think Boris was better as London Mayor I certainly won't be voting for Sadiq Khan, he has been nothing short of terrible IMO, with his mass cuts to the bus network, failing to deliver Crossrail on time, the list goes on. Yes I know the TfL subsidy was withdrawn by the government but some of the cuts taken were uncalled for, such as messing around with buses going down Oxford Street for a pedestrianisation scheme that ultimately never happened. He has also peeed off many Uber drivers who do not want to vote for him due to them not being exempt from congestion charge anymore. Khan knew the money from central government was being withdrawn, but yet he blames them and talks about cuts etc. When it was Ken when he had his battles with Tony Blair as Labour made it difficult for Ken initially because he went as an independent. They would not give ken control over the Underground, so Ken said he was going to boost the bus network and make the buses affordable, frequent and reliable. Ken was against the PPP on the Underground IIRC and it was the Labour government that pushed forward with it, it then eventually failed as we know. Ken set at measures aimed to improve buses for London, then we had Bob Kiley as the commissioner who also help improved things massively for London. Now we have Khan and the sad excuse Mike Brown.
If Sadiq was to go would Geoff Hobbs? Geoff has a very Sadiq-like attitude and I would wonder if he would go as well |
|
|
|
Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 11, 2020 9:42:31 GMT
Id like to add - in Sadiq's reports of London Bus Usage across London - these reports are all based off "the past 3 years" of which, funnily enough, has been the time where Sadiq himself has been mayor. I think the major amount of decline in bus usage is to do with Sadiq's measures taken to reduce buses and I feel as if he's in this denial as to people being the blame, not necessarily his overlook on buses.
|
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2020 10:15:32 GMT
I feel as if local MPs are very against Sadiq as a lot of them disagreed with the WLBC and CLBC. What I hope is we get a mayor who takes on local opinions more than sadiq did and not just focus on the financial status. Yes, Sadiq was being very good in reducing the amount of buses along Oxford Street and therefore reducing more traffic but I just don't know if everyone's up for voting after what he's done to people's local routes. I'd also like Geoff Hobbs gone. The reduction of buses along Oxford Street was not good and it hasn’t reduced traffic - it’s left a vacuum for private hire to step right into when we really should be encouraging more public transport use. |
|
|
|
Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 11, 2020 10:28:01 GMT
I feel as if local MPs are very against Sadiq as a lot of them disagreed with the WLBC and CLBC. What I hope is we get a mayor who takes on local opinions more than sadiq did and not just focus on the financial status. Yes, Sadiq was being very good in reducing the amount of buses along Oxford Street and therefore reducing more traffic but I just don't know if everyone's up for voting after what he's done to people's local routes. I'd also like Geoff Hobbs gone. The reduction of buses along Oxford Street was not good and it hasn’t reduced traffic - it’s left a vacuum for private hire to step right into when we really should be encouraging more public transport use. Well he reduced a few too many, but it's so slow travelling along Oxford Street however yet so useful to go by bus. |
|
|
|
Post by southlondonbus on Apr 11, 2020 10:31:01 GMT
If you could put 3 routes back along Oxford Street which ones?
|
|
