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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2018 12:19:12 GMT
Especially in Croydon where they are quite vocal about cuts such as opposing the 312/412 proposal which I thought was quite a good change as it created a Purley to Norwood Junction link, add some extra cacapcity between Croydon and NJ as the section would be DD (thou with 4bph down from 5 but still and overall increase) and allowed the X26 to drop off at West Croydon Bus Station. I don't know why that proposal didn't happen, I've heard a few stories about the different frequencies and the intention of putting electric single deckers on the 312 but probably just canteen gossip? |
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2018 12:30:04 GMT
Looks like my cynicism about TfL not publishing future consultations was misplaced. In the new Customer Services report that Snowman linked to there is this list of future consultations. The G1, 386 and Croydon routes consultations are brand new. The 470 and 404/434 change has been published on the list before. The Croydon proposal is either going to be ominous or else some extra resources going into the area.  I'll wait with anticipation about what TfL have planned for Croydon. It better be good news like service enhancements if they want to keep their mantra about the resources going into outer London. I think the 130/466 merger will go ahead with the 312 being extended to Thornton Heath. Ten routes in Croydon! Yes the 130/466 merger would seem highly likely and I suspect the 64/412/433 might be in for some changes. As for improvements I think the 289 could do with a modest increase to 5bph and the 468 should revert to its former frequency Mon-Fri peak hours and Sunday, seems to manage ok at other times though. I can't think of much else though. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 7, 2018 12:37:52 GMT
Looks like my cynicism about TfL not publishing future consultations was misplaced. In the new Customer Services report that Snowman linked to there is this list of future consultations. The G1, 386 and Croydon routes consultations are brand new. The 470 and 404/434 change has been published on the list before. The Croydon proposal is either going to be ominous or else some extra resources going into the area. I'll wait with anticipation about what TfL have planned for Croydon. It better be good news like service enhancements if they want to keep their mantra about the resources going into outer London. One part of the consultation we know is happening is the 75s withdrawal between Croydon Town Centre and West Croydon, so personally I'm not expecting a lot of benefits to the service. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 7, 2018 12:57:27 GMT
When TFL announced the terminal change to the 412 at Purley it did say it was temporary subject to consultation so that will probably be thrown in aswell.
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2018 13:11:15 GMT
When TFL announced the terminal change to the 412 at Purley it did say it was temporary subject to consultation so that will probably be thrown in aswell. The 412 normally empties out at the Tesco stop so I don't think the change makes much difference to passengers, certainly not worth a consultation. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 7, 2018 13:47:16 GMT
I'll wait with anticipation about what TfL have planned for Croydon. It better be good news like service enhancements if they want to keep their mantra about the resources going into outer London. One part of the consultation we know is happening is the 75s withdrawal between Croydon Town Centre and West Croydon, so personally I'm not expecting a lot of benefits to the service. If the X26 could not terminate at West Croydon due to capacity issues .... something will need to move out of there to accommodate this |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 7, 2018 14:22:16 GMT
I hope not but I have a horrible feeling the 154 could be cut to Fairfield Halls in a switch with the 75.
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2018 14:44:30 GMT
I hope not but I have a horrible feeling the 154 could be cut to Fairfield Halls in a switch with the 75. It wouldn't surprise me and it'll be a retrograde move if that does happen, the Fairfield Halls stop isn't the best place to wait for a bus in the wind and rain as well as being somewhat remote from the town centre. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 7, 2018 15:27:24 GMT
I hope not but I have a horrible feeling the 154 could be cut to Fairfield Halls in a switch with the 75. To be honest it will be a pain. I used to wait in Katherine Street for either a 197/312/468. When they stopped 197 calling at Katherine Street, I moved to opposite Fairfield's, and got 75/197/312 .... will have to work out a new best place to stand in Croydon once these changes take place! |
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2018 15:31:33 GMT
I hope not but I have a horrible feeling the 154 could be cut to Fairfield Halls in a switch with the 75. To be honest it will be a pain. I used to wait in Katherine Street for either a 197/312/468. When they stopped 197 calling at Katherine Street, I moved to opposite Fairfield's, and got 75/197/312 .... will have to work out a new best place to stand in Croydon once these changes take place! There is no reason why the 197 cannot serve the Katherine Street stop now it's using the Fairfield Halls stand just like the 250 does. |
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Post by danorak on Nov 7, 2018 16:08:24 GMT
I'll wait with anticipation about what TfL have planned for Croydon. It better be good news like service enhancements if they want to keep their mantra about the resources going into outer London. I think the 130/466 merger will go ahead with the 312 being extended to Thornton Heath. Ten routes in Croydon! Yes the 130/466 merger would seem highly likely and I suspect the 64/412/433 might be in for some changes. As for improvements I think the 289 could do with a modest increase to 5bph and the 468 should revert to its former frequency Mon-Fri peak hours and Sunday, seems to manage ok at other times though. I can't think of much else though. This is what the minutes of the Croydon Council public transport committee held on 20 June had to say: Muhammed Mashud (Transport for London) informed the Panel that the 2018 Bus Review was looking to integrate with the planned changes to the town centre alongside the arrival of Westfield, but that it also examined routes on a Borough wide basis. The Chair inquired as to if a timeline had been agreed for the review, and as to whether any specific capacity increases had been decided. The representative for TfL stated that while no specifics had yet been announced, the review aimed to increase capacity where there was demand for it in order to serve the whole of the town centre. The representative went on to discuss specific work that had been carried out on overcrowding on the 463 route, collaborating with a Ward Member and two local Schools. The Panel was told that through work with School Ambassadors and projects to encourage cycling, this had been resolved without necessitating changes to the 463 service. Charles King (East Surrey Transport Committee) stated that papers had been agreed at the Mobility Forum with recommendations such as improving access to Croydon University Hospital and the High Street and resolving the lack of Bus routes from the East of the Borough stopping at Fairfield Halls. The Officer assured the Panel that these papers had been fed back to TfL, and that it had been agreed that there would be at least one bus route servicing Fairfield Halls from the East. It was also expressed to the Panel that there were long waiting times for the 109 bus on London Road. A panel member suggested that if some buses from Croydon University Hospital stopped at the Streatham Bus Garage before stopping at Streatham Station on their routes, it would increase ease of access to Central London. The Chair noted that both of these would be included within the Bus Review. The Officer also noted that all previously raised and unaddressed concerns would be collated and sent to TfL to feed into the review. There was also a query as to whether the TfL Bus Review would address accidents on buses and the frequently large gap between the curb and the bus entrance. The Chair asked whether any driver training was planned or had already taken place around these issues. The Arriva London representative informed the Panel that there was ongoing training on both issues. The review seems to havbe been discussed again at the 16 October meeting but no minutes are available as yet. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 7, 2018 16:37:09 GMT
To be honest it will be a pain. I used to wait in Katherine Street for either a 197/312/468. When they stopped 197 calling at Katherine Street, I moved to opposite Fairfield's, and got 75/197/312 .... will have to work out a new best place to stand in Croydon once these changes take place! There is no reason why the 197 cannot serve the Katherine Street stop now it's using the Fairfield Halls stand just like the 250 does. There maybe be no reason, the the fact of the matter is they don't! I believe it is because using the Fairfield Halls stand is meant to be temporary. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 7, 2018 16:40:51 GMT
Doesn't the 119 stop opposite the Fairfield Halls on the way to Bromley? Admittedly on the Southbound journey it doesn't.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 7, 2018 16:40:58 GMT
This is what the minutes of the Croydon Council public transport committee held on 20 June had to say: Muhammed Mashud (Transport for London) informed the Panel that the 2018 Bus Review was looking to integrate with the planned changes to the town centre alongside the arrival of Westfield, but that it also examined routes on a Borough wide basis. The Chair inquired as to if a timeline had been agreed for the review, and as to whether any specific capacity increases had been decided. The representative for TfL stated that while no specifics had yet been announced, the review aimed to increase capacity where there was demand for it in order to serve the whole of the town centre. The representative went on to discuss specific work that had been carried out on overcrowding on the 463 route, collaborating with a Ward Member and two local Schools. The Panel was told that through work with School Ambassadors and projects to encourage cycling, this had been resolved without necessitating changes to the 463 service. Charles King (East Surrey Transport Committee) stated that papers had been agreed at the Mobility Forum with recommendations such as improving access to Croydon University Hospital and the High Street and resolving the lack of Bus routes from the East of the Borough stopping at Fairfield Halls. The Officer assured the Panel that these papers had been fed back to TfL, and that it had been agreed that there would be at least one bus route servicing Fairfield Halls from the East. It was also expressed to the Panel that there were long waiting times for the 109 bus on London Road. A panel member suggested that if some buses from Croydon University Hospital stopped at the Streatham Bus Garage before stopping at Streatham Station on their routes, it would increase ease of access to Central London. The Chair noted that both of these would be included within the Bus Review. The Officer also noted that all previously raised and unaddressed concerns would be collated and sent to TfL to feed into the review. There was also a query as to whether the TfL Bus Review would address accidents on buses and the frequently large gap between the curb and the bus entrance. The Chair asked whether any driver training was planned or had already taken place around these issues. The Arriva London representative informed the Panel that there was ongoing training on both issues. The review seems to havbe been discussed again at the 16 October meeting but no minutes are available as yet. Well my reading of that is TfL will be looking to rationalise some services, tweak others and try to link up services across Croydon to reduce the total volume of bus movements and stand space requirements. Some of that is clearly to try to facilitate the increased construction traffic and reduced road capacity that Westfield will cause for several years. One other factor, based on a new article on London Reconnections, is that Windmill Bridge will have to be totally replaced to allow for more tracks north of East Croydon station. That will affect the 289. While not an imminent change TfL may take the opportunity to rationalise or divert services in advance to ensure the bus / road network doesn't grind to a complete halt when the work is done. Have to say I have no idea what the councillors are talking about in reference to buses stopping at Streatham. Some obtuse reference to route 60's stopping arrangements? I note that hospital access rears its head *yet* again despite loads of services actually passing CUH and TfL having rebuffed demands for other extensions to the hospital for *years*. |
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2018 16:44:28 GMT
There is no reason why the 197 cannot serve the Katherine Street stop now it's using the Fairfield Halls stand just like the 250 does. There maybe be no reason, the the fact of the matter is they don't! I believe it is because using the Fairfield Halls stand is meant to be temporary. I don't know about it being temporary, I can't imagine the former stand near St Georges Walk being available again when the redevelopment work is finished. www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/design-reveals-scale-huge-towers-1373307 |
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