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Post by vjaska on Feb 8, 2019 18:07:25 GMT
At the Assembly Plenary meeting there was a section in which Assembly members can propose petitions to be sent to TfL. Caroline Pidgeon presented a petition of over 1,200 signatures opposing the removal of cross Croydon bus links and the loss of service to the main shopping area and West Croydon Stn (from the south) and Catherine St (from the north). TfL won't take any notice of course but at least there is some public opposition to the proposals. I was pondering these 'town centre' cuts that seem to be coming and thinking about how I shop. I doubt I'm alone in this but I don't get on the bus at the same place I get off. Croydon's not a great personal example as I seldom go there now but taking Bexleyheath as an instance, I alight at Asda and then work my way along the Broadway to Sainsburys, getting a bus home from the Clock Tower. So there's always likely to be an imbalance in loadings in one direction. I suspect you see this in Croydon - people get off at the 'boundary', say West Croydon, and then head south returning from there (and vice versa). These types of changes are going to make life a lot less convenient, 'hopper' or not. When I generally go Croydon which is becoming less and less and will probably virtually cease after the cuts come in, we usually get off on Park Street and shop from south to north before picking up the bus at West Croydon Bus Station or West Croydon Station so in a similar fashion to yourself - what I could see happening is people left with a choice of either walking a lot more in order to reach the bus home depending on what shops you walk to & from or shop in a different town centre. The worse outcome will probably be more cars in Croydon thus increasing congestion and making bus travel even worse.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 22, 2019 13:10:44 GMT
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Post by sid on Feb 22, 2019 13:43:40 GMT
This gives the impression that the entire route is being withdrawn rather than just two stops!
Rerouting the 154 to West Croydon via Old Town and Reeves Corner would seem the obvious compromise although obviously Fairfield Halls would no longer be served.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 22, 2019 14:46:14 GMT
This gives the impression that the entire route is being withdrawn rather than just two stops!
Rerouting the 154 to West Croydon via Old Town and Reeves Corner would seem the obvious compromise although obviously Fairfield Halls would no longer be served.
The benefit over that than leaving as it is is nothing ... and would still not benefit for ant cost savings.
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Post by sid on Feb 22, 2019 14:47:14 GMT
This gives the impression that the entire route is being withdrawn rather than just two stops!
Rerouting the 154 to West Croydon via Old Town and Reeves Corner would seem the obvious compromise although obviously Fairfield Halls would no longer be served.
The benefit over that than leaving as it is is nothing ... and would still not benefit for ant cost savings. Obviously it would still serve West Croydon.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 22, 2019 14:51:23 GMT
The benefit over that than leaving as it is is nothing ... and would still not benefit for ant cost savings. Obviously it would still serve West Croydon. But it would still do that if you did nothing ... and both would yeild a zero cost saving ... which is what we know they are after at the end of the day.
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Post by sid on Feb 22, 2019 14:56:33 GMT
Obviously it would still serve West Croydon. But it would still do that if you did nothing ... and both would yeild a zero cost saving ... which is what we know they are after at the end of the day. The proposal is to withdraw the 154 from West Croydon. Curtailing it at Fairfield Halls would only save one bus if that, the reason given is to reduce congestion not make savings.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 22, 2019 15:04:37 GMT
But it would still do that if you did nothing ... and both would yeild a zero cost saving ... which is what we know they are after at the end of the day. The proposal is to withdraw the 154 from West Croydon. Curtailing it at Fairfield Halls would only save one bus if that, the reason given is to reduce congestion not make savings. Which would mean one of the routes planned to terminate at West Croydon can't and has to continue to the otherside of town, leading to increased congestion
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Post by sid on Feb 22, 2019 15:11:52 GMT
The proposal is to withdraw the 154 from West Croydon. Curtailing it at Fairfield Halls would only save one bus if that, the reason given is to reduce congestion not make savings. Which would mean one of the routes planned to terminate at West Croydon can't and has to continue to the otherside of town, leading to increased congestion Leave either the 50 or 75 as it is, still a considerable reduction of buses along Wellesley Road from current levels. If the 50 change goes ahead it will have no common stop with the 468 in the town centre. Incidentally, if these changes are linked to the proposed Westfield development the whole thing is apparently now "under review".
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Post by ibus246 on Feb 22, 2019 19:38:08 GMT
Which would mean one of the routes planned to terminate at West Croydon can't and has to continue to the otherside of town, leading to increased congestion Leave either the 50 or 75 as it is, still a considerable reduction of buses along Wellesley Road from current levels. If the 50 change goes ahead it will have no common stop with the 468 in the town centre. Incidentally, if these changes are linked to the proposed Westfield development the whole thing is apparently now "under review". It was confirmed this morning that construction will begin early 2020 following the under review stuff last week
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 8:01:47 GMT
Leave either the 50 or 75 as it is, still a considerable reduction of buses along Wellesley Road from current levels. If the 50 change goes ahead it will have no common stop with the 468 in the town centre. Incidentally, if these changes are linked to the proposed Westfield development the whole thing is apparently now "under review". It was confirmed this morning that construction will begin early 2020 following the under review stuff last week I’m still not convinced that Westfield will happen, this is what the third time they have confirmed a start date.
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Post by sid on Feb 23, 2019 11:03:47 GMT
It was confirmed this morning that construction will begin early 2020 following the under review stuff last week I’m still not convinced that Westfield will happen, this is what the third time they have confirmed a start date. Neither am I and most Croydon residents seem to be of the same opinion, this can has been kicked down the road so many times I'll believe it when if and when it happens.
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Post by rj131 on May 9, 2019 14:58:54 GMT
This consultation has gone deadly quiet over the past couple of months, I wonder if they’re gonna bother going through with it now because the Westfield development is under review.
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Post by sid on May 9, 2019 15:06:47 GMT
This consultation has gone deadly quiet over the past couple of months, I wonder if they’re gonna bother going through with it now because the Westfield development is under review. Presumably the changes won't happen if Westfield doesn't go ahead?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 21:46:34 GMT
Looks like the results of these proposed changes will be published soon as the consultation has been removed, so expect the results to be published soon
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