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Post by sid on Jul 18, 2019 21:59:02 GMT
Looks like the results of these proposed changes will be published soon as the consultation has been removed, so expect the results to be published soon I've asked before and nobody seems to have a definite answer, aren't these changes dependant on the Westfield development actually happening?
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 18, 2019 22:02:31 GMT
Looks like the results of these proposed changes will be published soon as the consultation has been removed, so expect the results to be published soon I've asked before and nobody seems to have a definite answer, aren't these changes dependant on the Westfield development actually happening? Aren't they just a money saving scheme ... was not aware of any dependency on Westfield ... although that may have progressed with the Council taking control of the former Allders building after being compulsorily purchased and locking out all the traders.
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Post by sid on Jul 18, 2019 22:08:51 GMT
I've asked before and nobody seems to have a definite answer, aren't these changes dependant on the Westfield development actually happening? Aren't they just a money saving scheme ... was not aware of any dependency on Westfield ... although that may have progressed with the Council taking control of the former Allders building after being compulsorily purchased and locking out all the traders. I might be wrong but I thought it was to minimise disruption during construction work if indeed it goes ahead? I heard about the compulsory purchase of the former Allders building but the whole thing is reportedly still under review.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 18, 2019 23:39:27 GMT
I can't call this one. I can see with the tight finances it going ahead but I'm sure there would have been opposition to it so may be some rethinks. I think the 197/433 will easily pass and the routes from the north but the 154 not so sure about.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 22, 2019 13:51:32 GMT
Seems the results have been published .... 75,154,403 get reprieved ... the rest curtailed roughly as planned.
Divert routes 50 and 197 to stand at Fairfield Halls
Divert route 433 to stand in mid-Croydon at either Katherine Street or St. Georges Walk
Retain route N250 serving East Croydon, Dingwall Road all evenings
Changes to routes 109, 250, 264, 405 and 412 will progress as we originally proposed in the consultation
Curtail route 197 to Fairfield Halls
Curtail routes 250 (day route) and 264 (day and night services) to West Croydon Bus Station
Curtail routes 405 and 412 at Katherine Street
Route 109 will stand at Fell Road. There would be no change to first or last stops, live or dead mileage
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Post by rif153 on Jul 22, 2019 14:08:05 GMT
Interesting to see TfL decide not to go through on some of the changes, I didn't see that coming. Its a shame some will lose their links to the Whitgift Centre/West Croydon Bus Station but what TfL have gone for isn't as bad as what was originally proposed. I'm happy to see at least some changes aren't going ahead. For the 154, it looks as if all the political pressure on TfL was sucessful in stopping the cutback. I didn't see the 403's cutback being repeived though. Also, now the 75's cutback is going ahead, presumably that means an extra two Smart Hybrids will need to purchased, as I gather the only reason 12279-80 haven't transferred to PD is because the cutback hasn't happened yet
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 22, 2019 14:13:08 GMT
Interesting to see TfL decide not to go through on some of the changes, I didn't see that coming. Its a shame some will lose their links to the Whitgift Centre/West Croydon Bus Station but what TfL have gone for isn't as bad as what was originally proposed. I'm happy to see at least some changes aren't going ahead. For the 154, it looks as if all the political pressure on TfL was sucessful in stopping the cutback. I didn't see the 403's cutback being repeived though. Also, now the 75's cutback is going ahead, presumably that means an extra two Smart Hybrids will need to purchased, as I gather the only reason 12279-80 haven't transferred to PD is because the cutback hasn't happened yet You would have been lucky if it saved 1 vehicle ... definitely not 2 ... the right no of vehicles was ordered for the 75 ... 12279/80 being at TL is not directly connected to the 75 ... think the reason they are still in service is the last 2 Tridents got withdrawn.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 22, 2019 14:43:08 GMT
Quite a climb down actually with the 50/75/154 to continue across Croydon. The 433 is more useful then chucking off at Fairfield Halls.
So really only major changes are the 250 and 264 curtailed to West Croydon and the 405, 433 and 412 cutting to central Croydon. The 197 is probably only stopping 1 stop short of the current terminus and the 50 is a minor diversion really.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 22, 2019 14:51:21 GMT
Amazed to see freq increases to the 60, 127, 130, 154, 249, 289, 314, 466. Seems large amount on routes that don't always seem massively busy particulary the 130 and 466 but even the 154 and 249 cope pretty well. Can't help but think when so many routes have seen cuts in freq or altogether that the 60 and 466 need an increase. Purley to Croydon site already getting mroe cacapcity with the DD conversion of the 407.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 22, 2019 15:00:53 GMT
Amazed to see freq increases to the 60, 127, 130, 154, 249, 289, 314, 466. Seems large amount on routes that don't always seem massively busy particulary the 130 and 466 but even the 154 and 249 cope pretty well. Can't help but think when so many routes have seen cuts in freq or altogether that the 60 and 466 need an increase. Purley to Croydon site already getting mroe cacapcity with the DD conversion of the 407. Wonder if any additional buses will be required for those routes, we already know that the 127 is getting a +3 PVR increase on contract renewal however. The 130 could use some of the 407's E200's released if extra buses are required, or if those are going off lease it could use some of the E200's released from the 490. The 466's frequency increase will probably be factored in upon contract renewal next year should a PVR increase be required
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jul 22, 2019 15:35:07 GMT
Amazed to see freq increases to the 60, 127, 130, 154, 249, 289, 314, 466. Seems large amount on routes that don't always seem massively busy particulary the 130 and 466 but even the 154 and 249 cope pretty well. Can't help but think when so many routes have seen cuts in freq or altogether that the 60 and 466 need an increase. Purley to Croydon site already getting mroe cacapcity with the DD conversion of the 407. The 60 definitely deserves a PVR/frequency increase. The route supports the 109 and 118 and itself is a busy route. Would be great if the 60 could get to a every 10 minute frequency.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 22, 2019 15:36:58 GMT
Amazed to see freq increases to the 60, 127, 130, 154, 249, 289, 314, 466. Seems large amount on routes that don't always seem massively busy particulary the 130 and 466 but even the 154 and 249 cope pretty well. Can't help but think when so many routes have seen cuts in freq or altogether that the 60 and 466 need an increase. Purley to Croydon site already getting mroe cacapcity with the DD conversion of the 407. Wonder if any additional buses will be required for those routes, we already know that the 127 is getting a +3 PVR increase on contract renewal however. The 130 could use some of the 407's E200's released if extra buses are required, or if those are going off lease it could use some of the E200's released from the 490. The 466's frequency increase will probably be factored in upon contract renewal next year should a PVR increase be required Didn't someone say the 60 was getting a frequency increase and that is why DW318/20 came over. Could also be why HV280/1 returned to N. Thought we were reliably informed the 466 was getting withdrawn!
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Post by sid on Jul 22, 2019 16:17:06 GMT
Amazed to see freq increases to the 60, 127, 130, 154, 249, 289, 314, 466. Seems large amount on routes that don't always seem massively busy particulary the 130 and 466 but even the 154 and 249 cope pretty well. Can't help but think when so many routes have seen cuts in freq or altogether that the 60 and 466 need an increase. Purley to Croydon site already getting mroe cacapcity with the DD conversion of the 407. So am I amazed, the 130 or 466 were rumoured for withdrawal. The 289 on the other hand certainly needs a frequency increase and why on earth it hasn't been double decked I don't know. I'll wait and see what transpires.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 22, 2019 17:56:33 GMT
Be interesting to see what happens to 289. Options are that I can see, any increase will be DD (probably ex102), release ENXs from DT, or lastly new (electric?) SDs. I have a tendency to think the latter unlikely.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 22, 2019 18:30:45 GMT
Wonder if any additional buses will be required for those routes, we already know that the 127 is getting a +3 PVR increase on contract renewal however. The 130 could use some of the 407's E200's released if extra buses are required, or if those are going off lease it could use some of the E200's released from the 490. The 466's frequency increase will probably be factored in upon contract renewal next year should a PVR increase be required Didn't someone say the 60 was getting a frequency increase and that is why DW318/20 came over. Could also be why HV280/1 returned to N. Thought we were reliably informed the 466 was getting withdrawn! Had a feeling that the 130 & 466 was just rumours and no more beyond that. Regarding the 289, I won’t hold my breath but hopefully it finally gets the double decker conversion it needs.
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