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Post by mark on Dec 4, 2018 17:22:20 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Dec 4, 2018 17:34:57 GMT
I see the real two reasons are revealed at the end of the article - cost and emissions. I thought RMs would be exempt from the ULEZ charge due to age or is the age of the engine that matters? They should just can the route completely - get the anguish and outrage out of the way now. Leaving them "hanging on" risks them becoming an election issue all over again in 2020.  |
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Post by abellion on Dec 4, 2018 18:02:23 GMT
Heritage Routes..
I think they were meant to be tourist/nostalgia routes but that's honestly unneeded with the massive amounts of people who rely on buses and live in London.
sometimes these routes just become major inconveniences, i just honestly think London is doing fine with tourist attractions and some resources needs to be kept for the people who actually rely on transport services and live in London
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Post by sid on Dec 4, 2018 18:09:25 GMT
I don't see how it can be viable just to run the 15H at weekends, what are the buses going to do Mon-Fri? Might come in handy in the event of a tube strike but other than that? Why not just reroute the 25 via the Tower at weekends? Obviously it would be better if it terminated somewhere more useful than Holborn Circus, ie Aldwych/Covent Garden. |
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Post by redbus on Dec 4, 2018 18:42:28 GMT
It all comes down to money, money, money. Routemasters are surprisingly flexible and you could arrange to fit a Euro 6 engine if so desired, d*mn it I suspect you could even turn it into a hybrid. I think we have the engineering skills to do this, and for all those who thinks it's about time to cut the 15H went, you are in luck.....there's not the funds to do any of this!
Having been brought up on the Routemaster, I will always have a soft spot for them, you only need to see my avatar for that! So for me it is an icon, up there with the likes of Big Ben and so on, so my heart will never want to accept when the time is up. Younger members may well not have this affection, and other older members might not feel the same or let there head rule!
Whatever does happen it really should be done as a consultation.
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Post by sid on Dec 4, 2018 18:49:32 GMT
It all comes down to money, money, money. Routemasters are surprisingly flexible and you could arrange to fit a Euro 6 engine if so desired, d*mn it I suspect you could even turn it into a hybrid. I think we have the engineering skills to do this, and for all those who thinks it's about time to cut the 15H went, you are in luck.....there's not the funds to do any of this! Having been brought up on the Routemaster, I will always have a soft spot for them, you only need to see my avatar for that! So for me it is an icon, up there with the likes of Big Ben and so on, so my heart will never want to accept when the time is up. Younger members may well not have this affection, and other older members might not feel the same or let there head rule! Whatever does happen it really should be done as a consultation. Doesn't just about everything in life come down to money? I share your affection for the Routemaster but I can't accept these as the genuine article. |
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Post by redexpress on Dec 4, 2018 20:13:54 GMT
I see the real two reasons are revealed at the end of the article - cost and emissions. I thought RMs would be exempt from the ULEZ charge due to age or is the age of the engine They should just can the route completely - get the anguish and outrage out of the way now. Leaving them "hanging on" risks them becoming an election issue all over again in 2020. They will be exempt from ULEZ; the historic vehicle exemption depends only on date of first registration. I think the comment about emissions just means "yes we will be running high-polluting RMs in central London, but at least we won't be running them every day so the impact won't be as great". |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 20:56:43 GMT
I wonder if it will be difficult to recruit / retain conductors just for weekend work / summer work.
Said it before I would much rather the money is spent on extra conventional 15 workings / short workings. I like Sids idea about the 25 as that worked well in the 90s / early 00s but TfL don't like variations to routes now.
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Post by sid on Dec 4, 2018 21:04:50 GMT
I wonder if it will be difficult to recruit / retain conductors just for weekend work / summer work. Said it before I would much rather the money is spent on extra conventional 15 workings / short workings. I like Sids idea about the 25 as that worked well in the 90s / early 00s but TfL don't like variations to routes now. That's what I thought, the arrangement worked well in the past and it really is about time TfL dropped this inflexibility. That's a good point about conductors, unless drivers are going to be conductors at weekends? |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 4, 2018 22:52:31 GMT
I wonder if it will be difficult to recruit / retain conductors just for weekend work / summer work. Said it before I would much rather the money is spent on extra conventional 15 workings / short workings. I like Sids idea about the 25 as that worked well in the 90s / early 00s but TfL don't like variations to routes now. Problem with variations is you run the risk of confusion to passengers in London especially as they’re a different breed compared to outside London - I’d rather we kept the near enough standardised network we have instead. Extra journeys on the 15 as you suggested would be the best idea I’d imagine. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 5, 2018 16:08:41 GMT
With the 115 and 135 providing extra cacapcity to Limehouse/Poplar I'd drop the freq of the 15 to every 12-15mins and then keep the 15h to provide extra cacapcity of the solo section from Tower to Trafalgar Square.
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Post by cl54 on Dec 8, 2018 5:42:26 GMT
With the 115 and 135 providing extra cacapcity to Limehouse/Poplar I'd drop the freq of the 15 to every 12-15mins and then keep the 15h to provide extra cacapcity of the solo section from Tower to Trafalgar Square. Not much use for wheelchair users and those with pushchairs. Sorry but the RMs are not suitable for normal bus service. Most overseas visitors just like riding on red double deckers. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 8, 2018 9:25:07 GMT
With the 115 and 135 providing extra cacapcity to Limehouse/Poplar I'd drop the freq of the 15 to every 12-15mins and then keep the 15h to provide extra cacapcity of the solo section from Tower to Trafalgar Square. Not much use for wheelchair users and those with pushchairs. Sorry but the RMs are not suitable for normal bus service. Most overseas visitors just like riding on red double deckers. Going to make a guess you’re quite young! If we pushed your logic right to its natural conclusion then we would stop all the running days (eg the recent one in Finchley, or the Ensignbus day) in case a pushchair user showed up and complained! I love RMs. I think they should be celebrated as the icon that they are. I however don’t think the 15H is now that way to do it... |
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Post by cl54 on Dec 8, 2018 10:57:12 GMT
Not much use for wheelchair users and those with pushchairs. Sorry but the RMs are not suitable for normal bus service. Most overseas visitors just like riding on red double deckers. Going to make a guess you’re quite young! If we pushed your logic right to its natural conclusion then we would stop all the running days (eg the recent one in Finchley, or the Ensignbus day) in case a pushchair user showed up and complained! I love RMs. I think they should be celebrated as the icon that they are. I however don’t think the 15H is now that way to do it... Sorry but your guess is wide of the mark and I was at the Ensign running day. The advance publicity made it clear that historic vehicles were unable to accommodate wheelchairs and unfolded pushchairs. Special events are fine but they are not suitable for daily use. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 8, 2018 11:26:26 GMT
Going to make a guess you’re quite young! If we pushed your logic right to its natural conclusion then we would stop all the running days (eg the recent one in Finchley, or the Ensignbus day) in case a pushchair user showed up and complained! I love RMs. I think they should be celebrated as the icon that they are. I however don’t think the 15H is now that way to do it... Sorry but your guess is wide of the mark and I was at the Ensign running day. The advance publicity made it clear that historic vehicles were unable to accommodate wheelchairs and unfolded pushchairs. Special events are fine but they are not suitable for daily use. But so does the 15H publicity (what little there is of it). Your logic is flawed, I’m afraid : it still screams to me that, whether you were at the Ensign running day or not, that if a wheelchair user can’t use the bus, you think it shouldn’t run. That I’m afraid is just double standards from you. |
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