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Post by greenboy on Mar 1, 2020 12:16:50 GMT
There are so many worse routes than the 96 - try the 109 for starters. I hate the 109 with a passion! I used to live in Streatham and I worked in Croydon so this was my route as it was quicker than the route 60, after a while I decided to to get the route 50 as it was far more pleasant I agree that the 50 is far more pleasant in comparison to the 109 which is just a rather monotonous slog along the main drag.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 1, 2020 12:17:10 GMT
There are so many worse routes than the 96 - try the 109 for starters. I hate the 109 with a passion! I used to live in Streatham and I worked in Croydon so this was my route as it was quicker than the route 60, after a while I decided to to get the route 50 as it was far more pleasant Yeah the 50 is better and in many cases, quicker. Before it’s Stockwell extension, I used to grab it from Streatham Hill Station where it terminated and you could get a bus to yourself for a few stops before it filled up outside the Odeon.
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Post by rift on Mar 31, 2020 14:01:41 GMT
One of my worst is the 18. Back in the bendybus days, there was always a bit of ‘entertainment’ on it, especially through Harlesden. I haven’t been on it since 2010, so I don’t know if anything has changed about if.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 31, 2020 16:08:06 GMT
One of my worst is the 18. Back in the bendybus days, there was always a bit of ‘entertainment’ on it, especially through Harlesden. I haven’t been on it since 2010, so I don’t know if anything has changed about if. I think the 18 has always been a problem route in fact I think that's why RMs were replaced by doored buses back in the 70s.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 3:46:10 GMT
Route 147 - between East Ham & Ilford. I fail to understand how drivers on the route manage to operate a double decker on those narrow back roads.
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Post by thesquirrels on Apr 28, 2020 5:14:05 GMT
Route 147 - between East Ham & Ilford. I fail to understand how drivers on the route manage to operate a double decker on those narrow back roads. Newham have installed enforcement cameras on the bridge section of Browning Road southbound (northbound has been restricted for years) limiting permitted traffic to residents on a list of local streets, plus buses and service/emergency vehicles. The amount of ratrunning traffic between Romford Road and HSN has dropped off sharply as a result and it is noticeably less grief getting through that section. Though it only takes one person to cut into the single-track sections between pullover points as the bus comes in and the negotiations have to start - the standard of driving in East Ham leaves something to be desired and you do get chancers. School run times are of course still tight!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 7:11:52 GMT
Route 147 - between East Ham & Ilford. I fail to understand how drivers on the route manage to operate a double decker on those narrow back roads. Roads are fine it's the cars coming towards buses that don't give way! Buses have used these roads for over 50 years. In the early 90s there was even 2 routes serving these roads until the D2 was withdrawn.
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Post by ronnie on Apr 28, 2020 8:17:00 GMT
Route 147 - between East Ham & Ilford. I fail to understand how drivers on the route manage to operate a double decker on those narrow back roads. I have forever been amazed how a DD gets through those roads .... so tight pretty much everywhere!
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Post by ronnie on Apr 28, 2020 8:20:29 GMT
On a side note - which are the narrowest / tightest routes where DDs are seen?
The 147 is definitely up there (East Ham - ilford); the 242 near homerton hospital as well. Which others? Some of these would be good ones for “best” routes!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 9:00:07 GMT
On a side note - which are the narrowest / tightest routes where DDs are seen? The 147 is definitely up there (East Ham - ilford); the 242 near homerton hospital as well. Which others? Some of these would be good ones for “best” routes! 241 and 147 use some tight roads around Keir Hardie Estate in Canning Town.
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Post by busoccultation on Apr 28, 2020 10:42:18 GMT
On a side note - which are the narrowest / tightest routes where DDs are seen? The 147 is definitely up there (East Ham - ilford); the 242 near homerton hospital as well. Which others? Some of these would be good ones for “best” routes! The 291 around Woodlands Estate is super tight around there for a DD, parts of it are even more tighter than the roads the that the 147 serves even though the 291 only does the Woodlands Estate loop in a anticlockwise direction.
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Post by jrussa on Apr 28, 2020 23:22:22 GMT
Route 99 around Erith/Slade Green and Barnehurst is intriguing and 150 up Manford Way, Chigwell
EDIT - Referring to narrow roads with double deckers
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Post by Alex on Apr 29, 2020 0:06:11 GMT
Newham have installed enforcement cameras on the bridge section of Browning Road southbound (northbound has been restricted for years) limiting permitted traffic to residents on a list of local streets, plus buses and service/emergency vehicles. The amount of ratrunning traffic between Romford Road and HSN has dropped off sharply as a result and it is noticeably less grief getting through that section. Though it only takes one person to cut into the single-track sections between pullover points as the bus comes in and the negotiations have to start - the standard of driving in East Ham leaves something to be desired and you do get chancers. School run times are of course still tight! Yes I know! I got two warning letters from Newham Council about this. It's been really badly done, the scheme isn't signposted very well, my in-laws (who have lived in Newham for a very long time) have had letters as well, even people I know at work who live in the area have had them. There's a number plate recognition camera on Browning Road bridge, and the permitted list of vehicles are residents who have a parking permit for the area, black cabs, buses and emergency service vehicles. Even people my wife knows in the area think it's poorly worked out, there's so much scope for drivers such as minicab drivers and delivery drivers to get caught out which in turn puts the residents at a disadvantage. In the process, this has made Romford Road even worse! Nobody (that I know) is very happy about it and see it as very sneaky by Newham Council. I'm expecting a letter from them regarding my appeal in a few days, I managed to get a bus lane fine by taking action to avoid an accident (and before anyone says anything, it was a legal journey within Covid-19 restrictions delivering goods to my elderly mother-in-law, who has health issues and can't go very far - well, as far as the front door ).....
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Post by thesquirrels on Apr 29, 2020 4:42:26 GMT
Newham have installed enforcement cameras on the bridge section of Browning Road southbound (northbound has been restricted for years) limiting permitted traffic to residents on a list of local streets, plus buses and service/emergency vehicles. The amount of ratrunning traffic between Romford Road and HSN has dropped off sharply as a result and it is noticeably less grief getting through that section. Though it only takes one person to cut into the single-track sections between pullover points as the bus comes in and the negotiations have to start - the standard of driving in East Ham leaves something to be desired and you do get chancers. School run times are of course still tight! Yes I know! I got two warning letters from Newham Council about this. It's been really badly done, the scheme isn't signposted very well, my in-laws (who have lived in Newham for a very long time) have had letters as well, even people I know at work who live in the area have had them. There's a number plate recognition camera on Browning Road bridge, and the permitted list of vehicles are residents who have a parking permit for the area, black cabs, buses and emergency service vehicles. Even people my wife knows in the area think it's poorly worked out, there's so much scope for drivers such as minicab drivers and delivery drivers to get caught out which in turn puts the residents at a disadvantage. In the process, this has made Romford Road even worse! Nobody (that I know) is very happy about it and see it as very sneaky by Newham Council. I'm expecting a letter from them regarding my appeal in a few days, I managed to get a bus lane fine by taking action to avoid an accident (and before anyone says anything, it was a legal journey within Covid-19 restrictions delivering goods to my elderly mother-in-law, who has health issues and can't go very far - well, as far as the front door )..... Newham has plenty of form here but that is a rant for another thread and day. A quick search on twitter shows instances of LBN issuing letters to people who live on included streets. I wouldn't trust them to have executed this fairly or properly. There is scope for 'user error' too, I've almost driven over myself before a last minute slam of the brakes and execution of a U turn! As recently as a fortnight ago (again, for a journey that fell well within the necessary journeys criteria). It is one thing to know they have done it and reguritate the fact on an online forum on prompting, another to override your own autopilot and pay attention to the signs that are there! There could be changes to the execution and enforcement of the scheme but I do think some kind of ratrun prevention along there would benefit the area.
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Post by Alex on Apr 29, 2020 10:46:45 GMT
Newham has plenty of form here but that is a rant for another thread and day. A quick search on twitter shows instances of LBN issuing letters to people who live on included streets. I wouldn't trust them to have executed this fairly or properly. Blimey, I hadn't heard people living local to the bridge had received letters too! Agree, I have heard Newham have previous for this sort of thing and I shouldn't be surprised, a bit like having reservations about this bus lane appeal.....
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