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Post by LJ17THF on Dec 30, 2020 10:32:12 GMT
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Post by kmkcheng on Dec 30, 2020 10:43:02 GMT
Also worth noting TfL seem to also prefer the "Bus Garage" qualifier being completely omitted if possible. BW - Bow Church T - Leyton, Bakers Arms BK - Fair Cross (Don't start me on this spelling issue) DX - Ripple Road (for the 173) or Lodge Avenue, Ripple Road (on the 368) RR - River Road, Waverley Gardens (on EL1 and EL2) or River Road, Thames Road (on the EL3) N - West Norwood BN - Streatham Hill, Telford Avenue ON - Alperton TH - Thornton Heath Pond TF/FW - Fulwell or Fulwell, Stanley Road NX - New Cross Gate One that was added which is technically wrong is Harrow Weald Bus Garage as the 140, N18 and N140 (and any short journeys from the south) actually terminates at the Long Elms bus stop. The ‘bus garage’ stop is after the bus garage which is where the bus stand is situated just a few metres further along the road which they don’t serve in service as the 140 normally stand in the garage itself and the 140 (in the evenings), N18 and N140 passes it to get to the bus stand
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Post by redexpress on Dec 30, 2020 14:08:24 GMT
Yes you're correct for both. 494 also used terminate there as well afterwards and that too was blinded as Shirley, Monks Orchard Road between 2000-2005 it's only when the 356 went to Stagecoach with it's E200 in 2008 I believe it just got the Shirley treatment. Question with Shirley Inn, the pub called the Shirley Inn is still there so why the name change to Shirley Library when that's actually a stop ahead? I'm not sure but it could be the supposed policy that TfL has about including pubs on its destination blinds as it doesn't look good in today's 'sensitive' society. In years gone by pubs were happy to let buses terminate on their forecourts, such as The Fox in Keston for the 146, The Beehive in Lambourne End for the 150 and any number of routes at the Royal Forest Hotel in Chingford. Sad, as for years we had destinations such as 'Mitcham - Cricketers' for the 88 and 'Palmers Green - Cock' for the 261. The other thing TfL don't like is garages being shown as ultimate destinations on their own so they put place names before them in capitals with examples such as BELLINGHAM - Catford Bus Garage, WILLESDEN - Bus Garage and PLUMSTEAD - Bus Garage. An exception is seen with some of TC's Enviro 200's still displaying South Croydon Garage however. I think the main reason that pub names ceased to be used as qualifiers is that pub names change too often (or, these days, disappear altogether). This process accelerated during the 1990s, to the point where it was decided that pub names would only be used in cases where the name is so well-known that it can outlive the pub itself - for example, there are many road junctions that are named after pubs and where the name still appears on road signs long after the pub has been demolished.
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 30, 2020 16:28:31 GMT
Not exactly vague but why is Angel a qualifier for Islington on the 274 and 394 when bus stops leading up to the area shows “Angel Islington”?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 16:40:03 GMT
Not exactly vague but why is Angel a qualifier for Islington on the 274 and 394 when bus stops leading up to the area shows “Angel Islington”? Angel is a qualifier as it refers to the neighbourhood within Islington including the station named Angel, however the bus stops refer to the Angel Islington itself (the set of buildings and large angel wing sculpture) I believe.
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 30, 2020 16:42:32 GMT
Not exactly vague but why is Angel a qualifier for Islington on the 274 and 394 when bus stops leading up to the area shows “Angel Islington”? Angel is a qualifier as it refers to the neighbourhood within Islington including the station named Angel, however the bus stops refer to the Angel Islington itself (the set of buildings and large angel wing sculpture) I believe. Oh ok thanks for the info.
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 30, 2020 16:51:01 GMT
Not exactly vague but why is Angel a qualifier for Islington on the 274 and 394 when bus stops leading up to the area shows “Angel Islington”? Angel is a qualifier as it refers to the neighbourhood within Islington including the station named Angel, however the bus stops refer to the Angel Islington itself (the set of buildings and large angel wing sculpture) I believe. "Angel" originates from the Angel Inn, which was a coaching inn on the corner of what are now Islington High Street and Pentonville Road. In stage coach/mail coach days the gates of the City of London were locked at night so people would stay in coaching inns in settlements just outside the city walls (Southwark was another area with a cluster of coaching inns. The Angel Inn is no longer; the present building on the site was built as a restaurant in the 1800s and is now occupied by the Co-operative Bank.
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 30, 2020 16:52:17 GMT
No doubt in my mind - Angel Road Superstores on 341s. What are passengers at Waterloo Station to make of that? If anything, they're probably inclined to think it's Islington bound. That's not used any more, it's now "Northumberland Park" with an "Angel Road Superstores" qualifier.
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 30, 2020 16:53:03 GMT
National Express has the vaguest destination of the lot - "London"!
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 30, 2020 17:36:03 GMT
National Express has the vaguest destination of the lot - "London"! True, however I’m pretty sure the coaches end at Victoria Coach Station.
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Post by LJ17THF on Dec 30, 2020 17:37:14 GMT
National Express has the vaguest destination of the lot - "London"! True, however I’m pretty sure the coaches end at Victoria Coach Station. I think they knew that, they probably meant it as a joke .
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 30, 2020 18:06:43 GMT
True, however I’m pretty sure the coaches end at Victoria Coach Station. I think they knew that, they probably meant it as a joke . Sort of - they do end at Victoria Coach Station (mostly - there are Airport routes that terminate elsewhere), and most travellers know that, but it is rarely stated on the destination screen.
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Post by greg on Dec 30, 2020 18:29:13 GMT
Speaking of the 274, the curtailment: Caledonian Road, Copenhagen Market
Or some sort, where even is that? What would be the alighting point?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 19:23:05 GMT
Speaking of the 274, the curtailment: Caledonian Road, Copenhagen Market Or some sort, where even is that? What would be the alighting point? Caledonian Road, Copenhagen Street Buses (from Lancaster Gate Station ONLY) proceed from Caledonian Road via Copenhagen Street, Matilda Street, Richmond Avenue and Hemingford Road departing to Copenhagen Street. Set down in Caledonian Road, at Stop Q (Caledonian Road / Copenhagen Street) and pick up in Copenhagen Street, from Stop H (Hemingford Road).
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Post by martynl on Dec 30, 2020 22:58:50 GMT
I'm not sure but it could be the supposed policy that TfL has about including pubs on its destination blinds as it doesn't look good in today's 'sensitive' society. In years gone by pubs were happy to let buses terminate on their forecourts, such as The Fox in Keston for the 146, The Beehive in Lambourne End for the 150 and any number of routes at the Royal Forest Hotel in Chingford. Sad, as for years we had destinations such as 'Mitcham - Cricketers' for the 88 and 'Palmers Green - Cock' for the 261. The other thing TfL don't like is garages being shown as ultimate destinations on their own so they put place names before them in capitals with examples such as BELLINGHAM - Catford Bus Garage, WILLESDEN - Bus Garage and PLUMSTEAD - Bus Garage. An exception is seen with some of TC's Enviro 200's still displaying South Croydon Garage however. I think the main reason that pub names ceased to be used as qualifiers is that pub names change too often (or, these days, disappear altogether). This process accelerated during the 1990s, to the point where it was decided that pub names would only be used in cases where the name is so well-known that it can outlive the pub itself - for example, there are many road junctions that are named after pubs and where the name still appears on road signs long after the pub has been demolished. Yes, that's a good explanation and there are still some examples of pub names if you look hard enough. For instance in Tower Bridge Road the 1, 42 and 188 still call at a stop named 'Bricklayers Arms' even though the pub is long gone. I believe that destination may even still be on the blinds as well. In Locksbottom you have a junction named 'The Fantail' even though the pub is now named 'Chapter One' and finally in Hayes the 138 calls at a stop named 'The Pickhurst' when the pub next to it has (sadly) been a Miller & Carter steakhouse for a good few years.
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