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Post by wirewiper on Feb 16, 2019 9:40:23 GMT
Route 131 originally ran between Kingston and Walton-on-Thames - the Wimbledon-Kingston section was an extension of the original route, and occurred on 9th May 1962 as a replacement for trolleybus route 604*. It also had short-lived Sunday extensions to Clapham Common and Hersham during the early 1960s; the Clapham Common extension also reappeared on Sundays between 1973 and 1986 and early Sunday morning journeys were further extended to Embankment (latterly Aldwych).
In October 1994 the route was withdrawn west of Kingston, replaced by the 411 - so the 131 now operates only over the 1962 extension, and over no part of the original route. Extension to Tooting Broadway occurred in July 2007.
* route 604 can lay claim to be the last-ever London trolleybus route, when 1521 was the last trolleybus to run into Fulwell Depot from Wimbledon in the early hours on 9th May 1962 (depot journeys continued in service beyond Hampton Court to Fulwell Depot via the 667 route). 1521 is preserved at the East Anglia Transport Museum and displays West Ham Depot blinds, as that is where it spent most of its service career.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 10:00:06 GMT
241 Started as Victoria and Albert Dock to Manor House then was cut back to Stratford in 1973 then diverted from the Docks to Keir Hardie Estate in 1976 then extended in Canning Town in 1981 then withdrawn from Canning Town in 1987 (262 Covered this) then finally extended again at all times in 1993 to Canning Town. It ran to Canning Town in shopping Hours between 91 and 93.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 10:13:48 GMT
The 21 cut from West Kingsdown to Lewisham.
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Post by george on Feb 16, 2019 10:56:06 GMT
The 39 used to be Edmonton to Raynes Park
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 16, 2019 11:51:55 GMT
Another route that has morphed almost out of all recognition is the 114. In 1935 it was operating between Rayners Lane Station and Edgware Station and was still in the same form until 1966, apart from a reroute via Porlock Avenue during 1957.
In January 1966 the 114 was once again rerouted via the direct Lower Road routeing between Harrow and South Harrow, and was rerouted at Eastcote Lane to Ruislip Lido, replacing route 158 over this section - the 158 was rerouted via Porlock Avenue and diverted to Rayners Lane in its place.
In June 1970 the 114 was withdrawn between Harrow Weald and Edgware, replaced by overlapping OMO route 286 which operated between Harrow and Edgware. The 114 itself succumbed to OMO in October 1971. The 158 was withdrawn altogether from the same date, having lost its Watford Junction-Harrow Weald section in June 1970, and the 114 was once again rerouted via Porlock Avenue in its place. Some journeys on schooldays continued to and from Masefield Avenue.
A limited service was restored to Lower Road in November 1972, following passenger complaints. One bus an hour on route 114 was rerouted, these journeys displaying black-on-yellow blinds. Only short journeys to and from Eastcote Lane were diverted. These unusual journeys ceased in April 1978 when route 258 was extended to South Harrow.
In April 1983 the 114 was rerouted at Harrow and given a lengthy extension to Mill Hill, replacing the 140 over this section (the 140 was converted to OMO and rerouted to Harrow Weald in its place). The Mill Hill extension also included the former 140 schoolday journeys to Mill Hill East, which continued until January 1991.
By now the only part of the 1935 route still being served was the section between Eastcote Lane (Kings Road) and South Harrow (Shaftesbury Avenue) plus a short section of route in Harrow.
The Ruislip Station - Ruislip Lido section was replaced by the H13 as part of the infamous "Harrow Buses" changes of 14th November 1987, although the Sunday service persisted until December 1995.
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Post by LVF_Admin on Feb 16, 2019 20:48:00 GMT
The 21 cut from West Kingsdown to Lewisham. To be fair there wasn't a daily through service to West Kingsdown, as I recall it as a peak hour only on the old 21 and by old I mean crew. |
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Post by busaholic on Feb 16, 2019 21:04:06 GMT
The 21 cut from West Kingsdown to Lewisham. To be fair there wasn't a daily through service to West Kingsdown, as I recall it as a peak hour only on the old 21 and by old I mean crew. If my memory is correct on this, it involved one a.m. journey, which northbound worked through to Finsbury Square, then the Northern terminus. TBH, we can take any number of routes that used to operate from the far reaches of one side of London to its extreme on an opposite side. For instance, there was briefly a Sunday 3A just immediately pre-war which ran Edgware to Crystal Palace, with a garage allocation from Hendon and Norwood that even the estimable Ian Armstrong hasn't managed to pin down! |
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Post by riverside on Feb 16, 2019 21:13:47 GMT
The 295 is nowadays an important inner West London route but started out as a mere tiddler in June 1967 operating between Hammersmith Broadway and East Acton via Westway(Monday to Friday till 19.30),with a running time of just 14 minutes using RMs from S. In September 1968 it got extended to Wandsworth Bridge, supporting the 11 along Dawes Road. On the withdrawal of the old 27A from the East Acton area it gained a small rush hour extension to Brunel Road. In June 1972 the route was converted to OMO(as then was) and reallocated to WD.
In November 1972 it was rerouted away from East Acton at Shepherds Bush and rerouted over unserved roads via its present route to terminate at Ladbroke Grove(St. Charles's Square). A Saturday service was also introduced at this time bifurcating from the Monday to Friday route to terminate at Fulham(Edgarely Terrace). The Saturday service was soon replaced by the short lived 295A a Saturday only route running to Putney Bridge Station that gave Munster Road its first service. About the same time the Monday to Friday 295 was extended to Clapham Junction via the previously unserved Plough Road to give the service we know today.
There have also been extensions to Battersea Park Station and Westbourne Park Station at times,plus the introduction of a Sunday and night service. Not bad for a 14 minute weakling! Fate smiled on the 295, unlike the short lived and short in length 296 that operated for a brief while in the 1970s from WD between Wandworth Garage and Roehampton(Alton East Estate). The 296 turnt out to be a sickly child that probably would not have survived anyway but was never viable in an era of severe staff shortages.
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Post by localet44 on Feb 16, 2019 21:17:24 GMT
Routes 12 and 59 have had many changes over the years. Information from the www.londonbuses.co.uk website Route 12 1934 operated from South Croydon [Red Deer] to Willesden Junction / Park Royal [Coronation Road] 1938 extended Sundays to Brent Station 1939 Brent Station extension withdrawn 1941 Express service : Dulwich to Trafalgar Square [March to October only] 1941 Park Royal [Coronation Road] journeys extended to Park Royal Stadium 1954 withdrawn between South Croydon [Red Deer] and South Croydon Garage 1972 withdrawn between South Croydon and Norwood Junction 1986 one morning schoolday journey bifurcated at Penge to Beckenham Junction Station 1986 withdrawn between Willesden Junction / Park Royal and East Acton 1986 withdrawn between Norwood Junction and Penge 1988 withdrawn between Penge / Beckenham Junction and Dulwich 1991 withdrawn between East Acton and Shepherd's Bush 1994 withdrawn between Shepherd's Bush and Notting Hill Gate 2004 withdrawn between Notting Hill Gate and Oxford Circus There have also been several changes to the days of operation of service 12 between Willesden Junction and Shepherd's Bush. Route 59 1934 operated from Chipstead Valley to Camden Town DAILY 1938 withdrawn Mon-Sat between Thornton Heath Pond and Camden Town except Mon-Fri peaks 1939 withdrawn Mon-Fri peaks between Thornton Heath Pond and Camden Town. 1947 diverted at Oxford Circus to West Hampstead [West End Green] 1948 withdrawn Mondays to Saturdays becoming Chipstead Valley to West Hampstead on Sundays only 1970 diverted at Coulsdon to Old Coulsdon 1978 Route withdrawn 1985 NEW route from Chipstead Valley [Sundays] / Purley to Brixton with Sunday early morning journeys extended to Victoria Embankment 1986 withdrawn between Purley and Croydon [Park Street] except Sunday early morning journeys to Purley 1987 extended on Mondays to Fridays except evenings from Brixton to Farringdon Street. 1987 extended on Mondays to Saturdays from Croydon to Purley. 1987 withdrawn on Sundays between Victoria Embankment and Brixton. 1989 the extension from Brixton to Farringdon Street amended to operate Mondays to Saturdays daytime instead of just Mondays to Fridays peak hours. 1989 extended on Sunday from Croydon to Purley. 1992 withdrawn between Brixton Garage and Purley and on Saturdays and Sundays 1994 Route withdrawn 1995 NEW route from Brixton Garage to Euston Station 2007 extended from Euston Station to King's Cross |
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Post by rhys on Feb 16, 2019 21:57:21 GMT
Routes 12 and 59 have had many changes over the years. Information from the www.londonbuses.co.uk website Route 12 1934 operated from South Croydon [Red Deer] to Willesden Junction / Park Royal [Coronation Road] 1938 extended Sundays to Brent Station 1939 Brent Station extension withdrawn 1941 Express service : Dulwich to Trafalgar Square [March to October only] 1941 Park Royal [Coronation Road] journeys extended to Park Royal Stadium 1954 withdrawn between South Croydon [Red Deer] and South Croydon Garage 1972 withdrawn between South Croydon and Norwood Junction 1986 one morning schoolday journey bifurcated at Penge to Beckenham Junction Station 1986 withdrawn between Willesden Junction / Park Royal and East Acton 1986 withdrawn between Norwood Junction and Penge 1988 withdrawn between Penge / Beckenham Junction and Dulwich 1991 withdrawn between East Acton and Shepherd's Bush 1994 withdrawn between Shepherd's Bush and Notting Hill Gate 2004 withdrawn between Notting Hill Gate and Oxford Circus There have also been several changes to the days of operation of service 12 between Willesden Junction and Shepherd's Bush. Route 59 1934 operated from Chipstead Valley to Camden Town DAILY 1938 withdrawn Mon-Sat between Thornton Heath Pond and Camden Town except Mon-Fri peaks 1939 withdrawn Mon-Fri peaks between Thornton Heath Pond and Camden Town. 1947 diverted at Oxford Circus to West Hampstead [West End Green] 1948 withdrawn Mondays to Saturdays becoming Chipstead Valley to West Hampstead on Sundays only 1970 diverted at Coulsdon to Old Coulsdon 1978 Route withdrawn 1985 NEW route from Chipstead Valley [Sundays] / Purley to Brixton with Sunday early morning journeys extended to Victoria Embankment 1986 withdrawn between Purley and Croydon [Park Street] except Sunday early morning journeys to Purley 1987 extended on Mondays to Fridays except evenings from Brixton to Farringdon Street. 1987 extended on Mondays to Saturdays from Croydon to Purley. 1987 withdrawn on Sundays between Victoria Embankment and Brixton. 1989 the extension from Brixton to Farringdon Street amended to operate Mondays to Saturdays daytime instead of just Mondays to Fridays peak hours. 1989 extended on Sunday from Croydon to Purley. 1992 withdrawn between Brixton Garage and Purley and on Saturdays and Sundays 1994 Route withdrawn 1995 NEW route from Brixton Garage to Euston Station 2007 extended from Euston Station to King's Cross Although the current 59 does run along a few places where the former 59 did, they are completely separate routes. Even Londonbuses.co.uk shows that. The current 59 was made to replace the northern section of the 109. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 16, 2019 22:35:14 GMT
Everything knows the current 189 plying it's trade from Central to North West London but the former 189 started off as a decent length route in 1951 running from Cannon Street to North Cheam via London Bridge, Elephant, Kennington, Stockwell, Clapham Common, Wandsworth Common, Plough Lane, South Wimbledon & Morden. The northern end was fairly stable with it losing the section beyond Clapham Common in 1958 (during this time, it was renumbered extrememly briefly to 189A before reverting back to 189) but settling down with that terminus until 1983 when it was extended to Brixton before receiving one last extension to Camberwell Green in 1993. The southern end saw a number of changes starting with a diversion to Raynes Park & Worcester Park in 1958, a diversion at Raynes Park to Tolworth, Hook & Esher in 1973 before being cut back, first to Hook & then to Raynes Park as well as converting to single deck by 1982. This was the beginning of a gradual withering of the route which saw it cut back to Tooting, The Mitre in 1983 (at the same time, it received it's extension to Brixton), it cut down from 4 to just 1 bus in 1985, suspended during the 1988 summer holidays, restricted to just school journeys not long after, cut back from Tooting to Earlsfield, Burntwood School in 1991 before finally being renumbered 689 in 1994 - the 689 lasted just roughly 20 more years itself before being withdrawn having been superseded by it's offspring which was the 690. Ironically, it's history is a lot more fascinating than the current 189  |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 16, 2019 22:39:02 GMT
Routes 12 and 59 have had many changes over the years. Information from the www.londonbuses.co.uk website Route 12 1934 operated from South Croydon [Red Deer] to Willesden Junction / Park Royal [Coronation Road] 1938 extended Sundays to Brent Station 1939 Brent Station extension withdrawn 1941 Express service : Dulwich to Trafalgar Square [March to October only] 1941 Park Royal [Coronation Road] journeys extended to Park Royal Stadium 1954 withdrawn between South Croydon [Red Deer] and South Croydon Garage 1972 withdrawn between South Croydon and Norwood Junction 1986 one morning schoolday journey bifurcated at Penge to Beckenham Junction Station 1986 withdrawn between Willesden Junction / Park Royal and East Acton 1986 withdrawn between Norwood Junction and Penge 1988 withdrawn between Penge / Beckenham Junction and Dulwich 1991 withdrawn between East Acton and Shepherd's Bush 1994 withdrawn between Shepherd's Bush and Notting Hill Gate 2004 withdrawn between Notting Hill Gate and Oxford Circus There have also been several changes to the days of operation of service 12 between Willesden Junction and Shepherd's Bush. Route 59 1934 operated from Chipstead Valley to Camden Town DAILY 1938 withdrawn Mon-Sat between Thornton Heath Pond and Camden Town except Mon-Fri peaks 1939 withdrawn Mon-Fri peaks between Thornton Heath Pond and Camden Town. 1947 diverted at Oxford Circus to West Hampstead [West End Green] 1948 withdrawn Mondays to Saturdays becoming Chipstead Valley to West Hampstead on Sundays only 1970 diverted at Coulsdon to Old Coulsdon 1978 Route withdrawn 1985 NEW route from Chipstead Valley [Sundays] / Purley to Brixton with Sunday early morning journeys extended to Victoria Embankment 1986 withdrawn between Purley and Croydon [Park Street] except Sunday early morning journeys to Purley 1987 extended on Mondays to Fridays except evenings from Brixton to Farringdon Street. 1987 extended on Mondays to Saturdays from Croydon to Purley. 1987 withdrawn on Sundays between Victoria Embankment and Brixton. 1989 the extension from Brixton to Farringdon Street amended to operate Mondays to Saturdays daytime instead of just Mondays to Fridays peak hours. 1989 extended on Sunday from Croydon to Purley. 1992 withdrawn between Brixton Garage and Purley and on Saturdays and Sundays 1994 Route withdrawn 1995 NEW route from Brixton Garage to Euston Station 2007 extended from Euston Station to King's Cross The current 59 did not start in 1995 - it started in September 1999. However, your correct in that it was extended to King’s Cross in 2007 |
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Post by busaholic on Feb 16, 2019 23:44:16 GMT
Everything knows the current 189 plying it's trade from Central to North West London but the former 189 started off as a decent length route in 1951 running from Cannon Street to North Cheam via London Bridge, Elephant, Kennington, Stockwell, Clapham Common, Wandsworth Common, Plough Lane, South Wimbledon & Morden. The northern end was fairly stable with it losing the section beyond Clapham Common in 1958 (during this time, it was renumbered extrememly briefly to 189A before reverting back to 189) but settling down with that terminus until 1983 when it was extended to Brixton before receiving one last extension to Camberwell Green in 1993. The southern end saw a number of changes starting with a diversion to Raynes Park & Worcester Park in 1958, a diversion at Raynes Park to Tolworth, Hook & Esher in 1973 before being cut back, first to Hook & then to Raynes Park as well as converting to single deck by 1982. This was the beginning of a gradual withering of the route which saw it cut back to Tooting, The Mitre in 1983 (at the same time, it received it's extension to Brixton), it cut down from 4 to just 1 bus in 1985, suspended during the 1988 summer holidays, restricted to just school journeys not long after, cut back from Tooting to Earlsfield, Burntwood School in 1991 before finally being renumbered 689 in 1994 - the 689 lasted just roughly 20 more years itself before being withdrawn having been superseded by it's offspring which was the 690. Ironically, it's history is a lot more fascinating than the current 189 The old 189 was the closest thing to some Country Bus routes I ever knew in my red bus days, in that you might get a 45 minute scheduled gap in service somewhere on the route, followed by two buses in six minutes! i believe it MAY have been the first route to specifically offer Schoolday only journeys too, excepting the 145 which had a special extension to Woodford Wells. If it wasn't the 189, then it might have been the 124 for those first SD journeys. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:38:59 GMT
339 once ran between Shadwell and Fish Island (Bow), then extended to Stratford, then further to Leytonstone probably doubling its original length.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 7:50:44 GMT
Everything knows the current 189 plying it's trade from Central to North West London but the former 189 started off as a decent length route in 1951 running from Cannon Street to North Cheam via London Bridge, Elephant, Kennington, Stockwell, Clapham Common, Wandsworth Common, Plough Lane, South Wimbledon & Morden. The northern end was fairly stable with it losing the section beyond Clapham Common in 1958 (during this time, it was renumbered extrememly briefly to 189A before reverting back to 189) but settling down with that terminus until 1983 when it was extended to Brixton before receiving one last extension to Camberwell Green in 1993. The southern end saw a number of changes starting with a diversion to Raynes Park & Worcester Park in 1958, a diversion at Raynes Park to Tolworth, Hook & Esher in 1973 before being cut back, first to Hook & then to Raynes Park as well as converting to single deck by 1982. This was the beginning of a gradual withering of the route which saw it cut back to Tooting, The Mitre in 1983 (at the same time, it received it's extension to Brixton), it cut down from 4 to just 1 bus in 1985, suspended during the 1988 summer holidays, restricted to just school journeys not long after, cut back from Tooting to Earlsfield, Burntwood School in 1991 before finally being renumbered 689 in 1994 - the 689 lasted just roughly 20 more years itself before being withdrawn having been superseded by it's offspring which was the 690. Ironically, it's history is a lot more fascinating than the current 189 The old 189 was the closest thing to some Country Bus routes I ever knew in my red bus days, in that you might get a 45 minute scheduled gap in service somewhere on the route, followed by two buses in six minutes! i believe it MAY have been the first route to specifically offer Schoolday only journeys too, excepting the 145 which had a special extension to Woodford Wells. If it wasn't the 189, then it might have been the 124 for those first SD journeys. There was the 681S as well around that time. These journeys had been run by FW with M’s showing PRIVATE before that anyway. |
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