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Post by stuckonthe486 on Feb 18, 2019 11:13:58 GMT
To be fair there wasn't a daily through service to West Kingsdown, as I recall it as a peak hour only on the old 21 and by old I mean crew. If my memory is correct on this, it involved one a.m. journey, which northbound worked through to Finsbury Square, then the Northern terminus. TBH, we can take any number of routes that used to operate from the far reaches of one side of London to its extreme on an opposite side. For instance, there was briefly a Sunday 3A just immediately pre-war which ran Edgware to Crystal Palace, with a garage allocation from Hendon and Norwood that even the estimable Ian Armstrong hasn't managed to pin down! That single 21 journey from West Kingsdown fascinated me. If it was around now people would be making videos about it. Never quite understood why it was cut altogether when the route was restructured - I guess it wasn't very well used. (Must have been a long trip...) |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 18, 2019 12:41:05 GMT
If my memory is correct on this, it involved one a.m. journey, which northbound worked through to Finsbury Square, then the Northern terminus. TBH, we can take any number of routes that used to operate from the far reaches of one side of London to its extreme on an opposite side. For instance, there was briefly a Sunday 3A just immediately pre-war which ran Edgware to Crystal Palace, with a garage allocation from Hendon and Norwood that even the estimable Ian Armstrong hasn't managed to pin down! That single 21 journey from West Kingsdown fascinated me. If it was around now people would be making videos about it. Never quite understood why it was cut altogether when the route was restructured - I guess it wasn't very well used. (Must have been a long trip...) I think this journey was supported/contracted by Kent County Council to provide an early morning bus between West Kingsdown and Swanley. The fact it then continued all the way through to Central London was entirely incidental! It might also have covered an early morning 21A journey from Swanley to Sidcup/Eltham. |
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Post by busaholic on Feb 18, 2019 17:46:38 GMT
That single 21 journey from West Kingsdown fascinated me. If it was around now people would be making videos about it. Never quite understood why it was cut altogether when the route was restructured - I guess it wasn't very well used. (Must have been a long trip...) I think this journey was supported/contracted by Kent County Council to provide an early morning bus between West Kingsdown and Swanley. The fact it then continued all the way through to Central London was entirely incidental! It might also have covered an early morning 21A journey from Swanley to Sidcup/Eltham. I suspect you're right in almost every detail. I've also got something gnawing away in my brain that it was, for a time at least, worked by NX, possibly after Sidcup (SP) had closed, which in turn would mean the 21A had ceased to exist by this stage and replaced in part by the 233, Maidstone Boro' Line's inglorious attempt to enter the London bus scene! Sorry about the length of that sentence! |
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Post by paulsw2 on Feb 18, 2019 18:47:29 GMT
I think this journey was supported/contracted by Kent County Council to provide an early morning bus between West Kingsdown and Swanley. The fact it then continued all the way through to Central London was entirely incidental! It might also have covered an early morning 21A journey from Swanley to Sidcup/Eltham. I suspect you're right in almost every detail. I've also got something gnawing away in my brain that it was, for a time at least, worked by NX, possibly after Sidcup (SP) had closed, which in turn would mean the 21A had ceased to exist by this stage and replaced in part by the 233, Maidstone Boro' Line's inglorious attempt to enter the London bus scene! Sorry about the length of that sentence! NX did indeed run the 21 from West Kingsdown from 1989-1997 |
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Post by M1199 on Feb 18, 2019 21:06:22 GMT
The U1 had a few extensions and cutbacks in its earlier life: Being extended from Ruislip to Harefield Hospital via the current day 331 route. Then further extended to Chorleywood via Rickmansworth. When those extensions were axed in favour of the then new 331 & R1 (later R21) it was eventually extended south, from Uxbridge to Hayes, replacing the U5 & part of the U6. Rather bizarrely, when the U5 was reintroduced, the Ruislip-Hilingdon Hospital section was to be given that number, fortunately, common sense prevailed and the Uxbridge - Hayes leg was given its original number back! www.londonbuses.co.uk/_routes/prefix/u1.html |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 18, 2019 22:16:21 GMT
The N81 was another which had an almighty cutback going from running from Victoria to Gravesend (Sun-Thurs) or Gillingham (Fri & Sat) when it was first created in 1993 (it was a replacement for the NX1) to the Sun-Thurs journeys going no further than Crayford in 1995 to the whole route being cut back to Bexleyheath, Shopping Centre in 1999. The withdrawn section in Kent was replaced by commercial N80 & N82 whilst the N81 itself was replaced by the N89 in 2002 having gone low floor using PVL's a year earlier & having lasted just 9 years in total. It's one route I'd of loved to have done end to end particularly during the first two years when it was allocated T's but I'd of happily had a NV as well   |
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Post by busaholic on Feb 18, 2019 23:02:44 GMT
The N81 was another which had an almighty cutback going from running from Victoria to Gravesend (Sun-Thurs) or Gillingham (Fri & Sat) when it was first created in 1993 (it was a replacement for the NX1) to the Sun-Thurs journeys going no further than Crayford in 1995 to the whole route being cut back to Bexleyheath, Shopping Centre in 1999. The withdrawn section in Kent was replaced by commercial N80 & N82 whilst the N81 itself was replaced by the N89 in 2002 having gone low floor using PVL's a year earlier & having lasted just 9 years in total. It's one route I'd of loved to have done end to end particularly during the first two years when it was allocated T's but I'd of happily had a NV as well If I landed up in Gillingham on a Saturday or Sunday morning at 3 a.m. I'd make sure I caught the same bus back out, preferably by staying on it.  |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 3, 2019 10:16:49 GMT
Route 170 started as a Wandsworth-Hackney (Well Street) route in October 1950, replacing Kingsway Subway tram route 31. It was extended to Leyton Green (and at peak times to Leyton, Downsell Road) in April 1959, this time as part of the Trolleybus Replacement Programme! (it replaced the Bloomsbury-Leyton 555 route). In 1966 the service was cut back again to Hackney Station (except at peak times when it continued to and from Downsell Road), thus starting a process of gradual cutbacks that by July 1971 saw the route as operating Monday-Friday only between Wandsworth and Aldwych, with peak-hour extension to Euston Station. In April 1981 it was extended to Roehampton, Danebury Avenue and gained a Saturday service between Danebury Avenue and Vauxhall. In May 1991 it was converted to midibus (the DRL type) and standardised as Danbury Avenue to Clapham Junction at all times - meaning the only part of the original route that it now covered was the short section between Wandsworth and Clapham Junction. The subsequent extension to Victoria occurred in February 2008 when the route amalgamated with the 239. Regarding the 170 they were actually spec'd the shorter DR type . |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 3, 2019 14:54:27 GMT
The 428’s cutback to Crayford will be huge. I think it’ll just be over half the route gone like that!
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