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Post by Pilot on Feb 5, 2020 12:55:01 GMT
Fare evasion won't be stopped unless there is some kind of new system on buses that does the job automatically, you can't hire entire London worth of inspectors/conductors to deal with problems on such scale.
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Post by MoEnviro on Feb 5, 2020 12:56:33 GMT
So could be something like private security patrolling London's buses? lol Revenue protection on the railways is often done by Private security contractors
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Post by greenboy on Feb 5, 2020 17:26:08 GMT
Fare evasion won't be stopped unless there is some kind of new system on buses that does the job automatically, you can't hire entire London worth of inspectors/conductors to deal with problems on such scale. I totally agree with you, I think it's out of control now on buses and trains. Obviously ticket barriers reduce it on the trains but it's hard to see what can realistically be done on buses.
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Post by busaholic on Feb 6, 2020 0:19:36 GMT
So could be something like private security patrolling London's buses? lol I could be wrong, but a few years ago I thought I read of private security guards 'assisting' on Tramlink during evenings.
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 6, 2020 21:36:28 GMT
So could be something like private security patrolling London's buses? lol I could be wrong, but a few years ago I thought I read of private security guards 'assisting' on Tramlink during evenings. (From 2018 so may have changed) This presentation (https://democracy.croydon.gov.uk/documents/s10233/Tram%20Operations%20Limited%20-%20Safety%20and%20Ops%20Directors%20Report.pdf) indicates 16 RPI with no other staff with that role so don't think that is the case. Also have never seen external staff myself (unless they wear full Tramlink uniform)
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Post by busaholic on Feb 6, 2020 22:18:03 GMT
I could be wrong, but a few years ago I thought I read of private security guards 'assisting' on Tramlink during evenings. (From 2018 so may have changed) This presentation (https://democracy.croydon.gov.uk/documents/s10233/Tram%20Operations%20Limited%20-%20Safety%20and%20Ops%20Directors%20Report.pdf) indicates 16 RPI with no other staff with that role so don't think that is the case. Also have never seen external staff myself (unless they wear full Tramlink uniform) Fair enough, I may have been mistaken or, more likely, the person who spoke of it made an incorrect supposition. I never saw them myself, not that I made many evening journeys even then.
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Post by rambo on Feb 17, 2020 17:15:07 GMT
IBUS should have an announcement; 'this bus is being held due to a fare dispute, police have been called, sorry for the delay'
The driver stays put until police arrive/passenger gets off. But, every bus driver MUST do it.
Would be chaos to start, but people will soon learn.
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Post by greenboy on Feb 17, 2020 17:24:24 GMT
IBUS should have an announcement; 'this bus is being held due to a fare dispute, police have been called, sorry for the delay' The driver stays put until police arrive/passenger gets off. But, every bus driver MUST do it. Would be chaos to start, but people will soon learn. The police wouldn't arrive.
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Post by busaholic on Feb 17, 2020 20:44:07 GMT
IBUS should have an announcement; 'this bus is being held due to a fare dispute, police have been called, sorry for the delay' The driver stays put until police arrive/passenger gets off. But, every bus driver MUST do it. Would be chaos to start, but people will soon learn. The police wouldn't arrive. Probably not, usually, but it CAN happen. I just wanted to get from Marble Arch to Victoria to catch a train one evening, first bus to arrive a 390.Got on, went to back of bus, ten minutes later we're still there. Driver wouldn't allow an obvious 'street person' of more advanced years on, even though he claimed to have a valid Oyster. Driver has called police, five minutes later a bobby dragging a pushbike (!) appeared from the Hyde Park direction, sweating profusely, and proceeded to have a 'conversation' with the passenger-in-waiting, who was shouting 'don't touch me!' whereupon the copper, the oldest I've seen in modern times, said something to the effect 'I wouldn't touch you with a bargepole'. To be fair, the stench from the front had permeated to the back by now, and the offending/offended party went on his way muttering furiously. The bus then left, thirty seconds later came the announcement ' this bus terminates here' at Park Lane Hilton. Grr!!
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 17, 2020 21:07:56 GMT
IBUS should have an announcement; 'this bus is being held due to a fare dispute, police have been called, sorry for the delay' The driver stays put until police arrive/passenger gets off. But, every bus driver MUST do it. Would be chaos to start, but people will soon learn. "Alligator Teeth" or some sort of spikes should be deployed from a button raised in the cab, (spikes up to 7 inches in height across the doorway areas) to deter anyone from running away. Compensation could be given to users of punctured wheelchair tyres if deployed inadvertantly by the driver. Another button could force the doors to close (disabling emergency buttons at the top) central locking dead-bolt to stop the emergency door being opened (this can be overriden by a special jago key in the cab, and NSL revenue enforcement officers / riot police will have this key on their person). Teargas to be trialled on double deckers, before rollout to single deckers in 2022 Also advertising "PAY YOUR FARE - Your Dad does" to be run from March this year
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 17, 2020 21:47:36 GMT
IBUS should have an announcement; 'this bus is being held due to a fare dispute, police have been called, sorry for the delay' The driver stays put until police arrive/passenger gets off. But, every bus driver MUST do it. Would be chaos to start, but people will soon learn. "Alligator Teeth" or some sort of spikes should be deployed from a button raised in the cab, (spikes up to 7 inches in height across the doorway areas) to deter anyone from running away. Compensation could be given to users of punctured wheelchair tyres if deployed inadvertantly by the driver. Another button could force the doors to close (disabling emergency buttons at the top) central locking dead-bolt to stop the emergency door being opened (this can be overriden by a special jago key in the cab, and NSL revenue enforcement officers / riot police will have this key on their person). Teargas to be trialled on double deckers, before rollout to single deckers in 2022 Also advertising "PAY YOUR FARE - Your Dad does" to be run from March this year Along with "Pay your fare, your child does" Attachment Deleted
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