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Post by vjaska on Apr 23, 2019 21:20:10 GMT
Arriva have continually invested a lot of money into the Medway fleet since 2004 and from what I’ve seen, the fleet looks quite smart - just a shame about the new livery. There was a big investment in 2004 but not that much since and some of the fleet looks somewhat tired, particularly the Volvo B7RLE's still carrying MAX branding for routes 34/35 in Guildford. There has been plenty of investment in Medway since 2004 - the 101 was upgraded at least twice from 2008 to the present day and they cleared out the huge fleet of early Dart SLF's with new Enviro 200's & Citaros. Routes 34/35 do not operate in the Medway which my original point was responding to.
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Post by sid on Apr 23, 2019 21:51:08 GMT
There was a big investment in 2004 but not that much since and some of the fleet looks somewhat tired, particularly the Volvo B7RLE's still carrying MAX branding for routes 34/35 in Guildford. There has been plenty of investment in Medway since 2004 - the 101 was upgraded at least twice from 2008 to the present day and they cleared out the huge fleet of early Dart SLF's with new Enviro 200's & Citaros. Routes 34/35 do not operate in the Medway which my original point was responding to. Volvo's still carrying 34/35 Max branding operate from Gillingham, there are no Citaros.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 23, 2019 23:26:42 GMT
There has been plenty of investment in Medway since 2004 - the 101 was upgraded at least twice from 2008 to the present day and they cleared out the huge fleet of early Dart SLF's with new Enviro 200's & Citaros. Routes 34/35 do not operate in the Medway which my original point was responding to. Volvo's still carrying 34/35 Max branding operate from Gillingham, there are no Citaros. 12 reg ones were ordered for Arriva Medway for the 82 to displace Enviro 200's elsewhere and Flickr has pictures such as this - www.flickr.com/photos/darrent857/14210410659/in/photolist-nDJ51k-aUNVAP-e9gjJy-rVF97z-e6h4Ua-SbUXg5-2efpXMf-SbUWSj-23HyFw8-vpTwFf - whether they're still there is not what I was on about nor is it relevant to the point I was making. Fair enough regarding the Volvos.
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Post by sid on Apr 24, 2019 5:38:20 GMT
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Post by beaver14uk on Apr 24, 2019 18:35:05 GMT
Those in the know are hardly going to discuss negotiations First things first Nick I wish you well and hope you return to work as soon as your better ☺. I had a brief chat with a manager today about us buying Arriva and the manager basically said that nothing has been 100% finalised and that TFL wouldn't be in a position to worry about who has competition etc. He did mention that it would be easier for DB to sell Arriva as a whole and that it's not very likely that Stagecoach would want to whole business so make out what you can from that 😊 Oh, what I make of that is that the managers are as clueless as we are, and they'd have as much idea of what's going on as an enthusiast In other words, not a lot!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 24, 2019 18:40:07 GMT
An interesting articleMentions it would like any potential bidders to express their interest for it within the next two weeks. Although it does also say that Arriva may once again be floated on the stock market, in which case it would be interesting to see if any major companies decide to buy shares. Also worth mentioning is that DB are open to Arriva being split up, and if any existing operator want to pick it up I imagine they'll have no choice but to split it in some form or the other.
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 24, 2019 19:15:28 GMT
An interesting articleMentions it would like any potential bidders to express their interest for it within the next two weeks. Although it does also say that Arriva may once again be floated on the stock market, in which case it would be interesting to see if any major companies decide to buy shares. Also worth mentioning is that DB are open to Arriva being split up, and if any existing operator want to pick it up I imagine they'll have no choice but to split it in some form or the other. It was in the news that Sports Direct have suddenly lost interest in the £150m rescue of Debenhams... all starting to add up now The rail ops could be sold off, and the successful bidder (more than likely Stagecoach) could buy Arriva UK Bus as a whole. Other European operators could run the Arriva brand under license, the same way individual firms operate National Express coach services under one livery Like a large turd in a toilet with a weak flush, it needs to be broken up before it can be got rid of There's talk of Rotala picking off bits of the carcass as the vultures circle... www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-6924093/SMALL-CAP-IDEAS-Ambitious-bus-group-Rotala-looks-ready-market-heads-shake-up.htmlI'd like to see the Arriva name survive, it will be interesting what happens next
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Post by dennistas on Apr 24, 2019 19:20:27 GMT
An interesting articleMentions it would like any potential bidders to express their interest for it within the next two weeks. Although it does also say that Arriva may once again be floated on the stock market, in which case it would be interesting to see if any major companies decide to buy shares. Also worth mentioning is that DB are open to Arriva being split up, and if any existing operator want to pick it up I imagine they'll have no choice but to split it in some form or the other. Thanks for sharing Eastlondoner62. I am really keen to know what will happen to Arriva and it's great that we should hear something pretty soon! When it comes to London my question is still if TFL would allow Stagecoach to take up all of Arriva London as atm they seem the only bidders.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 19:45:08 GMT
An interesting articleMentions it would like any potential bidders to express their interest for it within the next two weeks. Although it does also say that Arriva may once again be floated on the stock market, in which case it would be interesting to see if any major companies decide to buy shares. Also worth mentioning is that DB are open to Arriva being split up, and if any existing operator want to pick it up I imagine they'll have no choice but to split it in some form or the other. It was in the news that Sports Direct have suddenly lost interest in the £150m rescue of Debenhams... all starting to add up now The rail ops could be sold off, and the successful bidder (more than likely Stagecoach) could buy Arriva UK Bus as a whole. Other European operators could run the Arriva brand under license, the same way individual firms operate National Express coach services under one livery Like a large turd in a toilet with a weak flush, it needs to be broken up before it can be got rid of There's talk of Rotala picking off bits of the carcass as the vultures circle... www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-6924093/SMALL-CAP-IDEAS-Ambitious-bus-group-Rotala-looks-ready-market-heads-shake-up.htmlI'd like to see the Arriva name survive, it will be interesting what happens next Could see a return of South London and Leaside names much like when Stagecoach sold up.
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 24, 2019 20:11:33 GMT
It was in the news that Sports Direct have suddenly lost interest in the £150m rescue of Debenhams... all starting to add up now The rail ops could be sold off, and the successful bidder (more than likely Stagecoach) could buy Arriva UK Bus as a whole. Other European operators could run the Arriva brand under license, the same way individual firms operate National Express coach services under one livery Like a large turd in a toilet with a weak flush, it needs to be broken up before it can be got rid of There's talk of Rotala picking off bits of the carcass as the vultures circle... www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-6924093/SMALL-CAP-IDEAS-Ambitious-bus-group-Rotala-looks-ready-market-heads-shake-up.htmlI'd like to see the Arriva name survive, it will be interesting what happens next Could see a return of South London and Leaside names much like when Stagecoach sold up. I did like Macquarie Bank's use of the old LT Buses' names while they babysat Stagecoach's operations for a few years - even keeping similar fleet numbers, like how Tower Transit kept First's fleet system ie VN36139 We could see "Arriva - a Rotala Company"* or with some mention of Stagecoach - parts of the UK operations could be split between the pair, but London should remain as a whole. They would still have to deal with the train operations and the work overseas. Though Arriva have mostly bought shares in companies, and they in most cases retain their original names - I think that's the case in Italy and Portugal. Funnily enough, they have no operations in France or Ireland, which is odd *Highly unlikely a company like Rotala with just 1% market share would buy Arriva - but in these crazy times, who knows? Perhaps Sullivan's is waiting to pounce to rip all those vinyls off the buses and leave them with just a Roundel
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Post by snoggle on Apr 24, 2019 20:13:35 GMT
An interesting articleMentions it would like any potential bidders to express their interest for it within the next two weeks. Although it does also say that Arriva may once again be floated on the stock market, in which case it would be interesting to see if any major companies decide to buy shares. Also worth mentioning is that DB are open to Arriva being split up, and if any existing operator want to pick it up I imagine they'll have no choice but to split it in some form or the other. Sorry to spoil the excitement but looks like a totally standard approach at this point in the process. DB are keeping all the options on the table in order to maximise interest and potential returns from the sale. By setting a public deadline it will force potential suitors to put up or shut up. That may quell the inevitable early state speculation that we've seen. I doubt much will be said after 3 May because DB and its advisers then face the hard task of deciding which route to take in terms of a market placing or piecemeal sale of Arriva. They have to judge how strong the interest is and whether they can maximise the company's value by one method compared to the others. The risk with a break-up is that they end up left with bits that are unsaleable or which fetch less than DB want. All ways round this is quite a high risk venture for all involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 20:15:46 GMT
Could see a return of South London and Leaside names much like when Stagecoach sold up. I did like Macquarie Bank's use of the old LT Buses' names while they babysat Stagecoach's operations for a few years - even keeping similar fleet numbers, like how Tower Transit kept First's fleet system ie VN36139 We could see "Arriva - a Rotala Company" or with some mention of Stagecoach - parts of the UK operations could be split between the pair, but London should remain as a whole. They would still have to deal with the train operations and the work overseas. Though Arriva have mostly bought shares in companies, and they in most cases retain their original names - I think that's the case in Italy and Portugal. Funnily enough, they have no operations in France or Ireland, which is odd I can't see the London operations staying with one company. I can see a split much like when First left.
I could see maybe EC / AR / DX / GY and DT being of interest to say Stagecoach but the others are very much outside of its usual operating area.
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Post by dennistas on Apr 24, 2019 20:20:04 GMT
I did like Macquarie Bank's use of the old LT Buses' names while they babysat Stagecoach's operations for a few years - even keeping similar fleet numbers, like how Tower Transit kept First's fleet system ie VN36139 We could see "Arriva - a Rotala Company" or with some mention of Stagecoach - parts of the UK operations could be split between the pair, but London should remain as a whole. They would still have to deal with the train operations and the work overseas. Though Arriva have mostly bought shares in companies, and they in most cases retain their original names - I think that's the case in Italy and Portugal. Funnily enough, they have no operations in France or Ireland, which is odd I can't see the London operations staying with one company. I can see a split much like when First left.
I could see maybe EC / AR / DX / GY and DT being of interest to say Stagecoach but the others are very much outside of its usual operating area.
DT and DX would be ideal for Stagecoach and WH could 'possibly' be replaced but it was said that Arriva want to sell as a whole to one operator.
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 24, 2019 20:25:16 GMT
I can't see the London operations staying with one company. I can see a split much like when First left.
I could see maybe EC / AR / DX / GY and DT being of interest to say Stagecoach but the others are very much outside of its usual operating area.
DT and DX would be ideal for Stagecoach and WH could 'possibly' be replaced but it was said that Arriva want to sell as a whole to one operator. Anything to get the 158 and 230 back Stagecoach making Tottenham Garage the London Head Office would be something Leaving them free to store Edmonton's junk at West Ham Wood Green, Palmers Green and Enfield could go to Tower Transit and Metroline, the South London garages could be split between Go Ahead and Abellio... the problem with these threads is the speculation is so contagious
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 20:28:20 GMT
DT and DX would be ideal for Stagecoach and WH could 'possibly' be replaced but it was said that Arriva want to sell as a whole to one operator. Anything to get the 158 and 230 back Stagecoach making Tottenham Garage the London Head Office would be something Leaving them free to store Edmonton's junk at West Ham Wood Green, Palmers Green and Enfield could go to Tower Transit and Metroline, the South London garages could be split between Go Ahead and Abellio... the problem with these threads is the speculation is so contagious Ensign decide to return to London tendering and purchase GY
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