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Post by stuckonthe486 on Apr 14, 2019 0:15:31 GMT
Probably just me being gloomy because this and the 53 have annoyed me, but I can't see beyond the A2/A102 option for this. The Kidbrooke passengers will want the fastest possible bus to the tube - they've no desire to go to the Standard - and the Westcombe Hill lot will object to it. When Greenwich is Pedestrianised the 286 is another option. Could divert it to North Greenwich and double deck the route. The 286 already serves Blackheath, Royal Standard so would be no need to send the 335 there. 335 could then just go via the A2/A102 like the 132. The 286 link to Greenwich town centre is way too important (and busy), unfortunately. It'd also be politically important locally to retain a link from Greenwich town centre to Eltham. Remember we're due to lose the 180 along that corridor, too. Back when the Jubilee Line extension opened (20 years ago next month!) I was always surprised the 386 wasn't switched to run to North Greenwich - it'd have done huge business, and still would.
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Post by LVF_Admin on Apr 14, 2019 7:24:15 GMT
When Greenwich is Pedestrianised the 286 is another option. Could divert it to North Greenwich and double deck the route. The 286 already serves Blackheath, Royal Standard so would be no need to send the 335 there. 335 could then just go via the A2/A102 like the 132. The 286 link to Greenwich town centre is way too important (and busy), unfortunately. It'd also be politically important locally to retain a link from Greenwich town centre to Eltham. Remember we're due to lose the 180 along that corridor, too. Back when the Jubilee Line extension opened (20 years ago next month!) I was always surprised the 386 wasn't switched to run to North Greenwich - it'd have done huge business, and still would. Being someone who lives close enough to the proposed new route to make use of it , the A2 is not the best option at all especially in peak hours. The A2/A102 is already far too congested from before 7am in the mornings and would wreck havoc with any schedules. Via the Standard is workable and could well still be quicker than the fast roads on a bad day.
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Post by danorak on Apr 14, 2019 13:01:58 GMT
The 286 link to Greenwich town centre is way too important (and busy), unfortunately. It'd also be politically important locally to retain a link from Greenwich town centre to Eltham. Remember we're due to lose the 180 along that corridor, too. Back when the Jubilee Line extension opened (20 years ago next month!) I was always surprised the 386 wasn't switched to run to North Greenwich - it'd have done huge business, and still would. Being someone who lives close enough to the proposed new route to make use of it , the A2 is not the best option at all especially in peak hours. The A2/A102 is already far too congested from before 7am in the mornings and would wreck havoc with any schedules. Via the Standard is workable and could well still be quicker than the fast roads on a bad day. I was surprised they dismissed the variation that would have taken it onto the A102 at the Sun in the Sands. The bus only stretch of the old Rochester Way would get it ahead of the am peak traffic and assist the 132 at the point rather than sitting on the A2. I shall be replying in favour of the Standard route but shall press the case for some sort of Charlton shops service again.
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Apr 14, 2019 18:36:40 GMT
Being someone who lives close enough to the proposed new route to make use of it , the A2 is not the best option at all especially in peak hours. The A2/A102 is already far too congested from before 7am in the mornings and would wreck havoc with any schedules. Via the Standard is workable and could well still be quicker than the fast roads on a bad day. Yeah - it wouldn't surprise me if the 286 is faster than the 132 from Rochester Way to Woolwich Road in the morning. The southbound queues can also be really bad on that stretch too. You also now have long weekend queues off the northbound slip road at Woolwich Road with traffic heading to Ikea. It just seems a waste to run it down the A102 when Westcombe Hill could do with the extra service, but as I mentioned earlier, it seems as much as result of the rather odd local politics in the area as anything to do with traffic.
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Post by danorak on May 1, 2019 19:00:46 GMT
Being someone who lives close enough to the proposed new route to make use of it , the A2 is not the best option at all especially in peak hours. The A2/A102 is already far too congested from before 7am in the mornings and would wreck havoc with any schedules. Via the Standard is workable and could well still be quicker than the fast roads on a bad day. Yeah - it wouldn't surprise me if the 286 is faster than the 132 from Rochester Way to Woolwich Road in the morning. The southbound queues can also be really bad on that stretch too. You also now have long weekend queues off the northbound slip road at Woolwich Road with traffic heading to Ikea. It just seems a waste to run it down the A102 when Westcombe Hill could do with the extra service, but as I mentioned earlier, it seems as much as result of the rather odd local politics in the area as anything to do with traffic. Predictably enough, the latest Westcombe News has an article about this entitled 'A Route Too Far?'. While it sets out the two options, it concludes with a comment about Westcombe Hill residents having cause to be 'alarmed'. I hope other residents, who have pressed for additional buses to North Greenwich from the Standard, also reply. As it stands, the A102 option still seems the most probable to me.
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Post by stuckonthe486 on May 2, 2019 1:04:36 GMT
Yeah - it wouldn't surprise me if the 286 is faster than the 132 from Rochester Way to Woolwich Road in the morning. The southbound queues can also be really bad on that stretch too. You also now have long weekend queues off the northbound slip road at Woolwich Road with traffic heading to Ikea. It just seems a waste to run it down the A102 when Westcombe Hill could do with the extra service, but as I mentioned earlier, it seems as much as result of the rather odd local politics in the area as anything to do with traffic. Predictably enough, the latest Westcombe News has an article about this entitled 'A Route Too Far?'. While it sets out the two options, it concludes with a comment about Westcombe Hill residents having cause to be 'alarmed'. I hope other residents, who have pressed for additional buses to North Greenwich from the Standard, also reply. As it stands, the A102 option still seems the most probable to me. ahahahaa - dear oh dear. I know the paper well. Wandering through that area just now at 1am made me realise one plus for TfL in the Westcombe Hill option: it could withdraw the late night double-decker 108s, which still make me do a double-take every time I see them.
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Post by danorak on Aug 29, 2019 13:41:14 GMT
Results out, option 1 via the Standard selected, due to start this October.
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Post by busaholic on Aug 29, 2019 13:43:07 GMT
Results out, option 1 via the Standard selected, due to start this October. No surprises there, then?
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Post by danorak on Aug 29, 2019 13:58:22 GMT
Results out, option 1 via the Standard selected, due to start this October. No surprises there, then? Must admit I expected option 2 to be chosen because of the Westcombe Hill & Kidbrooke lobbies so pleasantly surprised that the Standard routeing was chosen. The Westcombe Society's response is, to be polite, intellectually incoherent.
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Aug 29, 2019 14:05:23 GMT
Good news. The Westcombe Society's response is so poor, I might start a campaign to get the 386 double-decked as a response. That'll show 'em.
Odd note in TfL's press release about business rates money being brought forward to fund the 335's introduction, when the 335 is funded by Section 106 contributions from Berkeley Homes at Kidbrooke Village.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 29, 2019 14:35:50 GMT
Due to start in October will Euro6 hybrid double deckers?
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Post by lonmark on Aug 29, 2019 16:02:45 GMT
whose will be running on route 335 in October?
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Post by rif153 on Aug 29, 2019 16:49:49 GMT
whose will be running on route 335 in October? Perhaps it will be Arriva DT, as their buses are already blinded for the route.
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Post by busman on Aug 29, 2019 17:45:10 GMT
Loving the objection from the Westcombe Traffic Group who suggested that TfL should deck the 132 instead 😏
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Post by busaholic on Aug 29, 2019 17:56:57 GMT
Loving the objection from the Westcombe Traffic Group to deck the 132 😏 That's triple deckers a la Harry Potter I take it.
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