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Post by busaholic on May 8, 2019 20:28:20 GMT
Amazing to think just 20 or so years ago you had to fold a buggy to board a bus. Can you imagine the reaction if that was now. Should apply now imo.
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Post by redbus on May 8, 2019 21:18:44 GMT
As I understand matters, and I am no expert, wheelchair users have a certain amount of priority. The wheelchair area should normally be made available for a wheelchair, buggies to be folded, people to move to clear the area. A bus should not be filled with other passengers from a stop at the expense of a wheelchair user, as appears to be the case here.
What is less clear to me is what happens if people refuse to vacate to the wheelchair area including buggies when asked. The bus driver can demand, he (or she) can even refuse to move the bus, but for how long does the driver wait if people refuse to move? What constitutes the driver's duty under the law?
I presume if the bus is full when it arrives at the stop and people do not wish to get off, then no one gets to board. The driver can hardly ask passengers already on board to get off to make space for a wheelchair user. If the bus comes along and there is room for 1 or 2 at the front, but not for a wheelchair I presume the driver can pick up those couple of passengers leaving others including the wheelchair behind. In cases where people including wheelchair users are left behind because the bus is rammed, either the operator needs to answer why they are not running the service well, or if they are running it well, TfL need to answer why a sufficiently high frequency is not specified!
40 years ago many buggies couldn't even be folded if you wanted to! You had to ask permission from the conductor to store any large parcels.
However in today's modern world everyone should have accessible travel and let's face what differentiates buses from all other forms of public transport in London is that it is THE only form of affordable fully accessible transport. Cars, private hire, taxi, tube, cycle, walking supporters, please do remember that one!
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Post by sid on May 8, 2019 21:23:40 GMT
Amazing to think just 20 or so years ago you had to fold a buggy to board a bus. Can you imagine the reaction if that was now. And you wouldn't have got a wheelchair on a bus either.
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Post by SILENCED on May 8, 2019 21:24:43 GMT
But the individual has not committed any crime ... DDA places no responsibility on the individual ... what can the policeman do ... cart off the parent ... what about the child? Can you imagine the press they would receive? It’s easy to throw up barriers to ideas. I don’t have all the answers just the bones of a possible solution. The current situation isn’t working and there needs to be a fix Paul ... I am with you on this one despite my protestations ... 21st century parents are pandered to miles too much!
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Post by sid on May 8, 2019 21:29:23 GMT
But the individual has not committed any crime ... DDA places no responsibility on the individual ... what can the policeman do ... cart off the parent ... what about the child? Can you imagine the press they would receive? It’s easy to throw up barriers to ideas. I don’t have all the answers just the bones of a possible solution. The current situation isn’t working and there needs to be a fix To be fair I think the current situation generally is working, I've not seen too many problems. Passengers generally work things out amongst themselves or in the worst case scenario if somebody cannot be accommodated it's usually accepted with good grace. Inevitably though sometimes there are going to be problems.
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