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Post by snowman on Jun 5, 2019 9:53:57 GMT
consultations.tfl.gov.uk/streets/20/Introduction of more 20mph limits and in phase 2 some reductions on other roads such as 50mph to 40mph Map of Phase 1 proposalsCan't think of a sensible comment, without being sarcastic, especially as it suggests removing white lines improves safety, and misses all the obvious ones like attentive drivers, tyres and brakes in good condition etc, or why pedestrians are wandering around in the road. The reason why I'm sarcastic is I grew up on edge of New Forest and about 30 years ago they introduced blanket speed of 40mph. The number of accidents and animal deaths were higher in the years after the introduction, than before. Effectively had a target speed that applied regardless of conditions, replacing the don't drive beyond suitable/appropriate speed regime, so 60mph on dead straight in dry good weather across open heathland got replaced by 40mph as did narrow sections with double bends which are unlit at night where anything over 15-25mph was risky also became 40mph. In practice some people started doing 35mph and risky overtaking became commonplace. Thats why I don't like blanket speed limits. Apparently one of the arguments for 20mph zones, is drivers don't understand frequent changes of speed limit, so drop to lowest limit regardless as cheaper than putting up speed limit signs
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Post by dennistas on Jun 5, 2019 10:47:15 GMT
I may sound harsh but I swear to God, (I rarely make promises) but if they continue these bullshit 20mph zones across the city, I'm gonna do what ever I can to leave. Not that these nuts care!
London is a dump imo as it is and these lower speed limits do not improve it at all!
When I drive my mums car at 20mph on back streets it feels like I could run faster and when driving a bus it may feel slightly faster as it's a big vehicle.
Sick and tired of seeing 20 signs marked on the roads locally and the city areas. Nonesense
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 5, 2019 10:58:00 GMT
consultations.tfl.gov.uk/streets/20/Introduction of more 20mph limits and in phase 2 some reductions on other roads such as 50mph to 40mph Map of Phase 1 proposalsCan't think of a sensible comment, without being sarcastic, especially as it suggests removing white lines improves safety, and misses all the obvious ones like attentive drivers, tyres and brakes in good condition etc, or why pedestrians are wandering around in the road. The reason why I'm sarcastic is I grew up on edge of New Forest and about 30 years ago they introduced blanket speed of 40mph. The number of accidents and animal deaths were higher in the years after the introduction, than before. Effectively had a target speed that applied regardless of conditions, replacing the don't drive beyond suitable/appropriate speed regime, so 60mph on dead straight in dry good weather across open heathland got replaced by 40mph as did narrow sections with double bends which are unlit at night where anything over 15-25mph was risky also became 40mph. In practice some people started doing 35mph and risky overtaking became commonplace. Thats why I don't like blanket speed limits. Apparently one of the arguments for 20mph zones, is drivers don't understand frequent changes of speed limit, so drop to lowest limit regardless as cheaper than putting up speed limit signs They have to put up speed limit signs and repeaters for 20mph, as if not the legal national default for a streetlite road is 30mph ... it is the law ... so 20mph speedlimits requires more signs. Repeaters are supposed to be roughly every 200 metres or every 8th streetlight whichever is the shortest distance. If there are no repeaters, the limit is not legally enforceable. I know this after being done for speeding on a streetlite dual carriage way and investigated the law and despite being a wide dual carriage way, the streetlights meant it was a 30mph limit ... and my 46mph ... well ... only time I have ever been done.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 5, 2019 14:30:28 GMT
My response has been submitted ... quite hard hitting, and will very quickly be placed in the ignored pile no doubt.
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Post by dennistas on Jun 5, 2019 14:31:31 GMT
My response has been submitted ... quite hard hitting, and will very quickly be placed in the ignored pile no doubt. May I ask why? My response will probably be ignored too
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 5, 2019 14:33:58 GMT
My response has been submitted ... quite hard hitting, and will very quickly be placed in the ignored pile no doubt. May I ask why? My response will probably be ignored too Because it is not supporting the wishes of the suits at TfL ... anyone whose view digresses from theirs, they generally find, ignore it is the easiest course of action.
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Post by Pilot on Jun 5, 2019 19:02:05 GMT
Why is TFL getting so ridiculous? They're probably making more money than ever before and then last few years they're reducing services, making some bad decisions on overall bus service. Tellin you, once this goes in, people won't use buses as much and next thing you know we got another consultation on our hands with bus reduction. Some local routes having 20mph is fine but come on on big wide roads that's a joke.
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Post by joefrombow on Jun 7, 2019 3:31:01 GMT
I really don't know what goes through these "Transport Planners" minds when they plan these things , The Cycle lanes have already pretty much slowed the Embankment down during the day at the busiest times creating more traffic and more pollution etc a 20mph limit will just be ridiculous where does this end ? A Total ban on vehicles in Zone 1 that are not zero emission capable ? It's all too soon and definitely not thought through enough .
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Post by Green Kitten on Jun 7, 2019 7:23:01 GMT
no
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Post by rugbyref on Jun 7, 2019 8:28:45 GMT
They won’t like my response either. And how dare they ask about my religion and sexual orientation!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 12:20:33 GMT
Sent my response. totally agree as most oppose I guess.
20mph is calming traffic, making London safer and faster travel. remember the more your foot goes down the risk gets higher.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 7, 2019 14:13:36 GMT
Sent my response. totally agree as most oppose I guess. 20mph is calming traffic, making London safer and faster travel. remember the more your foot goes down the risk gets higher. 20mph limits do not calm traffic - I live in a borough who has a borough wide 20mph and believe me, traffic is not any calmer than before and in some cases, it's worse. Rather than reducing limits which ironically increase pollution, a fact that is usually glossed over despite the whole drive towards cleaner air, it's behaviour that needs to be tackled and the most effective way is through good education. And just to say, I don't drive or own a car - my view is totally from a pedestrian point of view
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Post by WLT892 on Jun 20, 2019 18:46:52 GMT
And you know what's funny, In 2017 in Bath they have noticed a rise in death and serious injuries when they enforeced 20mph speed limits and the council said they can't reverse the scheme because it cost too much. They also mentioned back in 2010 (according to Department of Transport) Portsmorth adopted this 20mph scheme and had the same effect (Increase accidents). www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/17/20mph-limit-dangerous-costly-reverse-council-admits/
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Post by busman on Jun 20, 2019 21:04:31 GMT
Lunacy. Our roads are among the safest in Europe. We have a problem of slow traffic speeds caused by 20mph speed limits on main roads and inflexible cycling infrastructure. This is absolute nonsense.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 20, 2019 21:55:50 GMT
Lunacy. Our roads are among the safest in Europe. We have a problem of slow traffic speeds caused by 20mph speed limits on main roads and inflexible cycling infrastructure. This is absolute nonsense. I wouldn't even bother waste my time with any consultation from those lunatics, its a done deal no matter!
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