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Post by kmkcheng on Jun 18, 2019 17:42:38 GMT
Interesting two bus routes from Brent Cross via different places to Harrow. I know many will miss a direct link but I think it’s needed. I am surprised other routes had not been included ie 340,182,183 plus others. There’s quite an outcry on the local Harrow FB group about the cut of 186 from Northwick Park Hospital
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Post by ian on Jun 18, 2019 18:35:36 GMT
I have to say I am slightly surprised at the removal of the 186 connection to NWP Hospital given how many areas are uniquely connected to NWP by 186 including parts of Wealdstone, Belmont, Canons Park, Edgware etc, and given the way hospital services have shaped up over the years (i.e. that people from those areas pretty much have to go NWP Hospital), although noting it is 'only' 300-400 passengers making those trips weekly. On the plus side, it might make the service more reliable and it is the other end of the route that has now become much more busy with the developments in Grahame Park etc.
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Post by rj131 on Jun 18, 2019 19:15:17 GMT
Lovely set of proposals this one, actually very well thought out unlike the ‘panic cost cutting’ that we’ve become accustomed to by TfLas of late. The 223 is also great news, most people probably use that route to get to Harrow, cutting that out of the town centre is like cutting a provincial route that ferries people living in suburbs to the city centre just short of it. Hopefully this is a sign of more positive changes to come, especially after the recently announced various frequency increases. Credit where credits due TfL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 19:39:57 GMT
No mention of possible changes to routes 258/395 through Harrow-on-the-Hill TFL were suppose to make proposed changes to eight routes but has gone down to 4 as in the customer service and operational performance panel document it states 'Harrow Bus Network-changes to eight routes' but does say subject to change so I'm assuming the proposed 395 rerouting won't be consulted on
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Post by snoggle on Jun 18, 2019 19:45:58 GMT
Lovely set of proposals this one, actually very well thought out unlike the ‘panic cost cutting’ that we’ve become accustomed to by TfLas of late. The 223 is also great news, most people probably use that route to get to Harrow, cutting that out of the town centre is like cutting a provincial route that ferries people living in suburbs to the city centre just short of it. Hopefully this is a sign of more positive changes to come, especially after the recently announced various frequency increases. Credit where credits due TfL Having read more of the comments about these plans there are two concerning things. 1. Removing the 186 from Northwick Park H goes against the hospital service "agenda" supposedly supported by TfL. I know there are frequent links from Harrow but this isn't the best look. 2. Removing the link from Northwick Park station is another example of TfL sacrificing modal connectivity in their network in favour of operational convenience which is bizarre given past emphasis on ease of integration. I recognise there may be road layout issues where but if buses leave the station full in the peaks then they're clearly used. On a more cynical note I would just point out that we are in year 4 of the current Mayoralty so some "baubles" have to be presented as improvements in outer London as a form of counterbalance to the more widespread bus cuts. I agree these proposals seem better thought out than past ones but I'm a little sceptical of any sort of "new dawn".
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Post by COBO on Jun 18, 2019 20:56:35 GMT
Not a bad idea and now South Harrow can have a direct link to Northwick Park Hospital. But couldn’t the H9/H10 be merged together as one route. Running between Harrow and South Harrow via H9 and have the 395 extended to Northwick Park Hospital
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 18, 2019 21:16:21 GMT
There are three different routeings between Kenton Road toundabout and Harrow Bus Station, is there a case for simplification?
114 and 183 via Sheepcote Road H9 and H10 via Gayton Road 182, 223, 483, H14, H18 and H19 via Kenton Road and Station Road
I am also concerned by the loss of the direct link between Northwick Park Station and the hospital, which goes against improving access to hospitals.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 18, 2019 21:34:23 GMT
Decided to let more local people comment before myself - this is more well thought out than just about every consultation TfL have released in the last few years but there are still holes in them such as the 186's cut hospital link which the H14's mini extension won't replace. It's a shame the 395 wasn't extended to Northwick Park Hospital as it's a link I've championed for ages and would balance the 186's cut from the hospital a bit more in terms of posturing (one out but one in) but obviously, the H9/H10 change is cheaper.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 7:16:53 GMT
I have to say I am slightly surprised at the removal of the 186 connection to NWP Hospital given how many areas are uniquely connected to NWP by 186 including parts of Wealdstone, Belmont, Canons Park, Edgware etc, and given the way hospital services have shaped up over the years (i.e. that people from those areas pretty much have to go NWP Hospital), although noting it is 'only' 300-400 passengers making those trips weekly. On the plus side, it might make the service more reliable and it is the other end of the route that has now become much more busy with the developments in Grahame Park etc. Agreed, I would hope the buses saved from this withdrawal stay on the route at an increased frequency.
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Post by busman on Jun 19, 2019 9:31:14 GMT
Decided to let more local people comment before myself - this is more well thought out than just about every consultation TfL have released in the last few years but there are still holes in them such as the 186's cut hospital link which the H14's mini extension won't replace. It's a shame the 395 wasn't extended to Northwick Park Hospital as it's a link I've championed for ages and would balance the 186's cut from the hospital a bit more in terms of posturing (one out but one in) but obviously, the H9/H10 change is cheaper. I remember reading in a previous TfL consultation response that the cost to extend the 395 was around £250K per year and the small number of passengers using the extension wouldn’t justify the outlay. The H9 currently provides easy and frequent interchange from the 140, 395, 398 and 487 at South Harrow.
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Post by busman on Jun 19, 2019 9:57:19 GMT
Lovely set of proposals this one, actually very well thought out unlike the ‘panic cost cutting’ that we’ve become accustomed to by TfLas of late. The 223 is also great news, most people probably use that route to get to Harrow, cutting that out of the town centre is like cutting a provincial route that ferries people living in suburbs to the city centre just short of it. Hopefully this is a sign of more positive changes to come, especially after the recently announced various frequency increases. Credit where credits due TfL 2. Removing the link from Northwick Park station is another example of TfL sacrificing modal connectivity in their network in favour of operational convenience which is bizarre given past emphasis on ease of integration. I recognise there may be road layout issues where but if buses leave the station full in the peaks then they're clearly used.[ TfL seem to have taken on board feedback from residents in the area and found that implementing their wishes would also have a net benefit on passenger journeys. As a result, I don’t think this is such a bad change. Mind you, there is still time for TfL to change their minds.
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Post by Lukeo on Jun 28, 2019 0:48:44 GMT
I never considered moving the terminus of the circulars, but it seems like a great idea given the need to free up stand space at Harrow Bus Station. Pleased to see the 223 cut has been axed, but I do worry about the potential negative effect on the H14s reliability if they don’t increase the pvr.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 29, 2019 17:39:58 GMT
I share your relief that route 223 will still serve Harrow. At first I had doubts about rerouting routes H9/10 away from Northwich Park Station. Then I realised people could still change onto those routes from Harrow-on-the-Hill.
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Post by foxhat on Jun 29, 2019 20:07:44 GMT
Will be interesting to see if RATP move crew relief for the H9/10 to Northwick Park Hospital too.
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Post by Lukeo on Jul 5, 2019 1:50:34 GMT
There are three different routeings between Kenton Road toundabout and Harrow Bus Station, is there a case for simplification? 114 and 183 via Sheepcote Road H9 and H10 via Gayton Road 182, 223, 483, H14, H18 and H19 via Kenton Road and Station Road I am also concerned by the loss of the direct link between Northwick Park Station and the hospital, which goes against improving access to hospitals. Northwick Park Station is only served by the metline, and it’s already more convenient to change at Harrow on the Hill to take a bus to the hospital. Personally I don’t think there’s a case for simplification of the different routings between Harrow Bus Station and Kenton Roundabout, as there seems to be a nice balance already which ensures each route is served adequately by bus. I would be interested to hear suggestions however.
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