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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 5, 2019 9:40:03 GMT
There are three different routeings between Kenton Road toundabout and Harrow Bus Station, is there a case for simplification? 114 and 183 via Sheepcote Road H9 and H10 via Gayton Road 182, 223, 483, H14, H18 and H19 via Kenton Road and Station Road I am also concerned by the loss of the direct link between Northwick Park Station and the hospital, which goes against improving access to hospitals. Northwick Park Station is only served by the metline, and it’s already more convenient to change at Harrow on the Hill to take a bus to the hospital. Personally I don’t think there’s a case for simplification of the different routings between Harrow Bus Station and Kenton Roundabout, as there seems to be a nice balance already which ensures each route is served adequately by bus. I would be interested to hear suggestions however. I would perhaps suggest simplifying this section by removing buses from Gayton Road (H9/H10). Divert the H9/H10 via Kenton Road, and divert the H18/H19 via Sheepcote Road. This way, all routes serving Northwick Park Hospital have a common route via Kenton Road, and routes going direct towards Kenton (without serving the hospital) would have a common route via Sheepcote Road.
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Post by aaron1 on Jul 16, 2019 14:16:00 GMT
For the 223 how about merge it With the H17 to be come a circular they both start and finish at same place
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2019 17:46:31 GMT
For the 223 how about merge it With the H17 to be come a circular they both start and finish at same place Both routes have different frequencies (223 is every 20 minutes whilst the H17 is 12-15 minutes during the peaks) so it’s not as simple as that. The H17 is also quite busy under its current frequency.
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Post by LT 20181 on Jul 18, 2019 13:30:24 GMT
I've just had a thought. If the changes go ahead, why not have the H9/10 stand where the 186 currently stands and leave the H14 where it is?
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Post by Lukeo on Nov 5, 2019 14:29:53 GMT
TfL have reached out regarding the results of the proposal
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Post by kmkcheng on Nov 5, 2019 14:35:49 GMT
TfL have reached out regarding the results of the proposal Guess it’s good news for those opposed to the 186 cut from NPH
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Post by LT 20181 on Nov 5, 2019 14:35:52 GMT
Good to see the 186 is still going to NPH and it’s interesting to see that this time, the 9s & 10s will stand at St Mark’s Hospital rather than outside the main entrance of NPH. Nice to see the H14 has been left alone too. This does mean more stand space at Harrow Bus Station, especially since the 186 won’t be standing there after all. Along with the X140, I wonder what other routes may now stand in the bus station.
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Post by foxhat on Nov 5, 2019 14:47:09 GMT
Good to see the 186 is still going to NPH and it’s interesting to see that this time, the 9s & 10s will stand at St Mark’s Hospital rather than outside the main entrance of NPH. Nice to see the H14 has been left alone too. This does mean more stand space at Harrow Bus Station, especially since the 186 won’t be standing there after all. Along with the X140, I wonder what other routes may now stand in the bus station. One would suspect the 223 maybe?
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Post by foxhat on Nov 5, 2019 14:49:29 GMT
TfL have reached out regarding the results of the proposal Am I the only one that can foresee endless confusion outside NPH when 2x H9 or 2x H10 turn up showing NPH and people having no idea whether the bus is about to terminate at round the back of the hospital or whether it has just started its journey?!
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Post by LT 20181 on Nov 5, 2019 14:51:09 GMT
Good to see the 186 is still going to NPH and it’s interesting to see that this time, the 9s & 10s will stand at St Mark’s Hospital rather than outside the main entrance of NPH. Nice to see the H14 has been left alone too. This does mean more stand space at Harrow Bus Station, especially since the 186 won’t be standing there after all. Along with the X140, I wonder what other routes may now stand in the bus station. One would suspect the 223 maybe? Or maybe the 483 as they currently stand at the stop for St George's Centre, which is sometimes a problem as it does cause congestion when other buses come in to serve the stop. There are sometimes upto three 483s standing there.
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Post by kmkcheng on Nov 5, 2019 14:58:05 GMT
TfL have reached out regarding the results of the proposal Am I the only one that can foresee endless confusion outside NPH when 2x H9 or 2x H10 turn up showing NPH and people having no idea whether the bus is about to terminate at round the back of the hospital or whether it has just started its journey?! I was thinking the same thing
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Post by Lukeo on Nov 5, 2019 15:00:26 GMT
TfL have reached out regarding the results of the proposal Am I the only one that can foresee endless confusion outside NPH when 2x H9 or 2x H10 turn up showing NPH and people having no idea whether the bus is about to terminate at round the back of the hospital or whether it has just started its journey?! Very true, I already find it confusing enough working out whether a H9/H10 is going towards Harrow or Kenton lol. There are separate bus stops, but if two buses arrive at once it can force one to stop in the wrong place. I guess you'll see which way the bus came from (hopefully). One would suspect the 223 maybe? Or maybe the 483 as they currently stand at the stop for St George's Centre, which is sometimes a problem as it does cause congestion when other buses come in to serve the stop. There are sometimes upto three 483s standing there. Whilst I agree they block the stop quite a bit sometimes, there won't really be space for them to stand in Harrow Bus Station given that there can be up to three buses on stand sometimes, and the X140 will be moving in when the H9/H10 move out anyway. Based on that they're probably better off left where they are.
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Post by goldenarrow on Nov 5, 2019 15:03:26 GMT
I think generally there is a lot to be said about the circular services from Harrow blinds included.
Even at Harrow bus station there is confusion with buses being stables or terminating with their blinds set for their next trip.
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Post by foxhat on Nov 5, 2019 15:18:22 GMT
I think generally there is a lot to be said about the circular services from Harrow blinds included. Even at Harrow bus station there is confusion with buses being stables or terminating with their blinds set for their next trip. At least at Harrow bus station the H9 and H10 pick up on different sides, and alongside routes that generally follow in the same direction. With the two stops outside NPH you will either have H9s and 10s serving the same stop in each directions (which will be confusing with the current "Harrow" only blinds set up bet less so combined with the 186 to go towards the Perimeter Road only. Otherwise you will have the H9 serving one stop in both directions and H10 serving the other with both showing the NPH destination (which will be even more confusing).
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Post by vjaska on Nov 5, 2019 19:02:34 GMT
I think generally there is a lot to be said about the circular services from Harrow blinds included. Even at Harrow bus station there is confusion with buses being stables or terminating with their blinds set for their next trip. At least at Harrow bus station the H9 and H10 pick up on different sides, and alongside routes that generally follow in the same direction. With the two stops outside NPH you will either have H9s and 10s serving the same stop in each directions (which will be confusing with the current "Harrow" only blinds set up bet less so combined with the 186 to go towards the Perimeter Road only. Otherwise you will have the H9 serving one stop in both directions and H10 serving the other with both showing the NPH destination (which will be even more confusing). There is an alternative - change the blinds halfway through so for example: “Wealdstone via Kenton”, then change to “Northwick Park Hospital via South Harrow” “Wealdstone via South Harrow”, then change to “Northwick Park Hospital via Kenton” That way, it would be indicate which service it is.
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