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Post by busaholic on Jul 13, 2019 13:35:35 GMT
You are right that the 37 isn't well used from Putney Station to the Heath, just about everyone gets off at the station. Found it a coincidence that these new route ideas were mentioned today as only last week I was thinking about the idea of a NH37 that would run from hounslow to Putney but in the end never posted it. You could even be more radical and go one step further with the N37 to Hounslow as the 37 used to. The only problem is you couldn't take the H37's routing because of a low bridge I'd love to see it if it were considered feasible, but the current tendering position wouldn't aid its feasibility. With such a long orbital route you really need garage allocations at or towards both ends, or one end is going to suffer terribly in the event of any accident/diversion etc. There might just be a case for Putney to run the route alone, and I guess if Go-Ahead got the contract AF could run jointly with PM or NX, but it's still an important consideration in that eastbound and westbound journeys would presumably have similar loads to each other at any given hour during the night, unlike radial routes. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 13, 2019 15:10:15 GMT
You could even be more radical and go one step further with the N37 to Hounslow as the 37 used to. The only problem is you couldn't take the H37's routing because of a low bridge I'd love to see it if it were considered feasible, but the current tendering position wouldn't aid its feasibility. With such a long orbital route you really need garage allocations at or towards both ends, or one end is going to suffer terribly in the event of any accident/diversion etc. There might just be a case for Putney to run the route alone, and I guess if Go-Ahead got the contract AF could run jointly with PM or NX, but it's still an important consideration in that eastbound and westbound journeys would presumably have similar loads to each other at any given hour during the night, unlike radial routes. Indeed, especially as currently, the 37 during the evening & nights is prone to unreliability as I've had many a long wait for one. Not only that but it's very busy between Wandsworth & Brixton due to night life hotspots at Clapham Junction, Clapham Common & Brixton as well as catering to cinema users at Wandsworth. I'd imagine it has good loadings east of Brixton but I've had to rarely had to use that section at night. |
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Post by aaron1 on Jul 15, 2019 16:01:17 GMT
Now for the Night tube some bits of Central Line that West Action to West Ruilslip no night service to fix part of that New night bus N105 Heathrow Central to Shepherds Bush via the 95 and a double run at Greenford Station
For the Piccadiily Line Harrow bit N97 extend to South Harrow via N27 to Chiswick Business Park then via 70 Action Police Station then via the to Ealing Common then via N83 to Alpenton then via 487 to South Harrow for a night tube service
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Post by M1104 on Jul 15, 2019 17:55:50 GMT
There are plenty of times when I could do with a night service through Phipps Bridge for those occasional nights back from the West End. Ideally make the 200 a 24-hour service for a trial period, the night element running every 30 minutes during the week and 20 minutes on Fri/Sat nights.
Alternatively, introduce a loop service within the N44 routing, Aldwych-bound buses rerouted from Mitcham Cricketers via the 200 to Phipps Bridge then coming back on itself via the bus-less section of Church Road back to Mitcham Cricketers before continuing onwards to Aldwych. Sutton-bound buses can do the Phipps Bridge loop in the anti-clockwise direction.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 15, 2019 19:28:48 GMT
Would increase the journey to Sutton a bit thou. Reminiscent of when the N44 went through Carshalton and Wallington.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 15, 2019 23:05:47 GMT
Would increase the journey to Sutton a bit thou. Reminiscent of when the N44 went through Carshalton and Wallington. It would indeed be an increased journey but the Phipps Bridge loop is very short in comparison to the N44's old routing via Wallington. Another possibility could be to have the night element 264[1] do the loop from Mitcham Fair Green via the 200 through Phipps Bridge to Christchurch Road then via the 152 down Western Road back to Mitcham Fair Green to continue on to St George's Hospital. The loop routing would be reversed for Croydon-bound buses. [1] - as the N264 |
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Post by secretbu5dude on Jul 16, 2019 2:01:25 GMT
Now for the Night tube some bits of Central Line that West Action to West Ruilslip no night service to fix part of that New night bus N105 Heathrow Central to Shepherds Bush via the 95 and a double run at Greenford Station
For the Piccadiily Line Harrow bit N97 extend to South Harrow via N27 to Chiswick Business Park then via 70 Action Police Station then via the to Ealing Common then via N83 to Alpenton then via 487 to South Harrow for a night tube service
Imagining the West Ruislip Branch got a weekend night service and you had to select let's say between E7 and 282 to compliment, which would you choose? |
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 16, 2019 10:10:24 GMT
Now for the Night tube some bits of Central Line that West Action to West Ruilslip no night service to fix part of that New night bus N105 Heathrow Central to Shepherds Bush via the 95 and a double run at Greenford Station
For the Piccadiily Line Harrow bit N97 extend to South Harrow via N27 to Chiswick Business Park then via 70 Action Police Station then via the to Ealing Common then via N83 to Alpenton then via 487 to South Harrow for a night tube service
Imagining the West Ruislip Branch got a weekend night service and you had to select let's say between E7 and 282 to compliment, which would you choose? 282 because it has links to places not served by night bus e.g. Eastcote Northwood |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 16, 2019 12:55:30 GMT
Now for the Night tube some bits of Central Line that West Action to West Ruilslip no night service to fix part of that New night bus N105 Heathrow Central to Shepherds Bush via the 95 and a double run at Greenford Station
For the Piccadiily Line Harrow bit N97 extend to South Harrow via N27 to Chiswick Business Park then via 70 Action Police Station then via the to Ealing Common then via N83 to Alpenton then via 487 to South Harrow for a night tube service
Imagining the West Ruislip Branch got a weekend night service and you had to select let's say between E7 and 282 to compliment, which would you choose? I think a night service on both routes would be viable. The NE7 would maintain links to Ealing Broadway at night but I think an N282 would be more beneficial as it would ensure there are 24hr links to Mount Vernon and Ealing Hospitals as well as create more links to the night tube for currently unserved areas |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 9:22:10 GMT
We often think in terms of big routes needing night services, but what about the small ones.
Having worked in Tower Hamlets recently, I think a night service over the 309, D6 and possibly 339 would produce a fair patronage. Even if just on Fri/Sat nights.
In north London you have the 288 which would plug a few gaps and link the jubilee line with northern line. Although my preference up there would be for a night service over the 142.
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 17, 2019 11:04:55 GMT
Commercial Street is v busy at night but has no night service. Surely N242 should be diverted to cover ?
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Post by sid on Jul 17, 2019 12:03:42 GMT
Commercial Street is v busy at night but has no night service. Surely N242 should be diverted to cover ? I totally agree, I don't know why TfL didn't think of that when the 242 was rerouted. |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 17, 2019 18:25:27 GMT
Commercial Street could do with a night service. I wonder how well the N242 is used now, my guess is that its pretty dead as all the demand to travel to TCR from Dalston/Hackney has dried up as people have found alternatives. The N242 does help to plug a gap on a link which was well used but really I would extend the 242 back to TCR and extend the 67 back to Aldgate but with a 24hr service
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 17, 2019 19:09:06 GMT
They could run the N242 to Aldgate then onto Trafalgar Square (maybe via Cornhill) or via the N15 route. That would restore a TSQ to Hackney route long lost when the N38 was diverted via the day route.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 19:35:45 GMT
We often think in terms of big routes needing night services, but what about the small ones. Having worked in Tower Hamlets recently, I think a night service over the 309, D6 and possibly 339 would produce a fair patronage. Even if just on Fri/Sat nights. In north London you have the 288 which would plug a few gaps and link the jubilee line with northern line. Although my preference up there would be for a night service over the 142. I sometimes think the Canning Town - Blackwall / All Saints area is overbussed at night with the N15, N550 and N551 - I know they all serve different routes via Isle of Dogs / Highway after this so maybe the following could offer new routes / serve new areas
N550 Extended from Canning Town to Beckton via the current N551 N551 diverted at Burdett Road via daytime D6 to Ash Grove / Hackney Central
*Edit thinking about this a bit more it makes the route a bit circular but think something better could be done with the N550 /1 instead of both routes running to Canning Town.
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