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Post by route53 on Jul 21, 2019 2:09:10 GMT
......what routes would allocate them on? What new divergents off main routes would you create? Note this is fantasy so be as wildly outlandish as you want
468 > 68A 168 > 68B 453 > 53A 427 > 207A 321 > 21A 286 > either 108A or 132A 380 > 180A 181 > 180B (the 181 did replace the 180 in the Catford area I recall)
New route 53B between Plumstead & Elephant but via New Charlton, East Greenwich and Greenwich rejoins 53 at Deptford
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Post by M1104 on Jul 21, 2019 2:46:51 GMT
44 > 77A 60 > 109B (250 > 109A) 87 > 88A 131 > 57A 154 > 157A 164 > 163A 185 > 36A (436 > 36B) 264 > 280A 345 > 35A
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Post by route53 on Jul 21, 2019 10:17:39 GMT
50 > 109A 60 > 109B 363 > 63A 358 > 227A 422 > 122A 261 > 208A 136 > 36A 436 > 36B 432 > 2A 322 > 3A or 122B 197 > 12A 148 > 12B 312 > 12C
486>286A
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Post by COBO on Jul 21, 2019 10:33:04 GMT
483 > 83A 92 > 18A 182 > 18B 278 > 140A 340 > 140B 218 > 266A 490 > 90A 482 > 105A 232 > 112A 395 > 398A 487 > 187A
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Post by busaholic on Jul 21, 2019 12:21:19 GMT
I know it's fantasy, which I'm not against necessarily, but I wouldn't re-introduce suffixes to London bus numbers at this stage. The old system was the direct result of a decision by one man, A.E. Bassom, back in the 1920s to differentiate every variation of a route as an aid to the public.this being a prelude to the creation of the London Passenger Transport Board in 1933 which brought true regulation to buses in London rather than the free-for-all that pertained previously.
Bassom was a remarkable man by all accounts and any lover of public transport in London, particularly buses, owes a debt of gratitude to this high-ranking policeman. His system of route numbering, though both well-intentioned and producing undoubted benefits, became too unwieldy and potentially confusing to that same public imo when it insisted that every regular short working on a route i.e. NOT off line of the main route had to have its own suffix. so on a long route like the 12, with virtually every journey a 'short' you might get a 12A, a 12B , a 12C etc etc operating on one stretch of the route, and never see a plain 12. Some of the suffixed routes would never meet, of course eg. a South Croydon to Elephant would not cross a Harlesden to Oxford Circus. The LPTB put an end to that pedancy a year after their creation in 1934, whereafter suffixes became attached to routes which were separate entities, though seen to have a connection with the main route number. This was in essence a necessity given the limitations imposed on the spread of numbers for red buses which Bassom had also imposed, which ended at 299 (and, even then, 200 to 299 numbers were originally for single deck only.)
All I'm saying is, be careful what you wish for - one man's improvement is seen by another as detrimental!
Just one comment after a brief scan of the lists above - 36A for 185?! No, no, no - please have a regard for that route's history and derivation.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 21, 2019 15:09:19 GMT
Just one comment after a brief scan of the lists above - 36A for 185?! No, no, no - please have a regard for that route's history and derivation. "Note this is fantasy so be as wildly outlandish as you want"....as quoted by route53, hence my earlier post.
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Post by busaholic on Jul 21, 2019 15:37:20 GMT
Just one comment after a brief scan of the lists above - 36A for 185?! No, no, no - please have a regard for that route's history and derivation. "Note this is fantasy so be as wildly outlandish as you want"....as quoted by route53, hence my earlier post. There's fantasy, there's outlandishness, but then there's sacrilege.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 17:03:13 GMT
25A weekends same as 25 to Aldgate then divert via Tower Hill to Trafalgar Square. 25 runs as normal Monday to Friday.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 21, 2019 17:06:18 GMT
"Note this is fantasy so be as wildly outlandish as you want"....as quoted by route53, hence my earlier post. There's fantasy, there's outlandishness, but then there's sacrilege. fair enough
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 21, 2019 18:57:51 GMT
Would be nice to see the 12A and 68A back in Croydon to bring those low classic route numbers back. 312 and 468 don't quite sound as classic as 12 and 68.
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Post by sid on Jul 21, 2019 19:03:13 GMT
Would be nice to see the 12A and 68A back in Croydon to bring those low classic route numbers back. 312 and 468 don't quite sound as classic as 12 and 68. Although the 312 no longer has any connection with the 12. I thought it was a pointless exercise changing the 68A.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 21, 2019 19:04:46 GMT
Whilst it dosent necessarily matter there is what I call having a Crystal Palace or Richmond done to an area meaning in a short space of time an area looses most of its classic routes/number and gets all the higher numbered split off ends (2/49/63/137 replaced with 249/322/363/417/432) and 27/37/71/90 to 337/371/391/490/H37). Whislt many other areas loose long standing routes they still have some left like Lewisham loosing the 1 and 36 but still have the 21/47/54/75/89.
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Post by busaholic on Jul 21, 2019 19:50:32 GMT
Whilst it dosent necessarily matter there is what I call having a Crystal Palace or Richmond done to an area meaning in a short space of time an area looses most of its classic routes/number and gets all the higher numbered split off ends (2/49/63/137 replaced with 249/322/363/417/432) and 27/37/71/90 to 337/371/391/490/H37). Whislt many other areas loose long standing routes they still have some left like Lewisham loosing the 1 and 36 but still have the 21/47/54/75/89. I take your point, but CP still has the 3,122,157 and 227, so all is not lost.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 21, 2019 20:00:04 GMT
The 3 loose pretty safe there. Seems to be the central end that keeps getting snipped back.
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Post by COBO on Jul 21, 2019 20:11:16 GMT
209 > 9A 189 > 16A 332 > 16B
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